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Post by Silentus on Feb 13, 2004 22:26:48 GMT
Variable Punishments
Next we move on to specific gold values and prison stays.
[/color] Here are the crimes and sentances agreed upon with a 66% or better concensus: 1. Evading Arrest...Same punishment for each repeat offence
...Forfeiture of some gold
2. Theft...............1st Offence
...Forfeiture of some gold
...Public posting of convicted criminals & crimes (on forums)
3. Theft...............2nd Offence (and subsequent)
...Public Jailing (Cell is in common public area)
...Forfeiture of all held gold
...Public posting of convicted criminals & crimes (on forums)
4. Murder.............1st Offence (and subsequent)
...Semi-Private Jailing (PCs can come to the cell)
...Forfeiture of some gold
...Public posting of convicted criminals & crimes (on forums)
5. Murder.............2nd Offence (and subsequent)
...Semi-Private Jailing (PCs can come to the cell)
...Forfeiture of all held gold
...Public posting of convicted criminals & crimes (on forums)
6. Serial killers.......5th Offence (and subsequent)
...Public Execution (full penalties)
...Semi-Private Jailing (PCs can come to the cell)
...Forfeiture of all held gold
...Public posting of convicted criminals & crimes (on forums)
7. Slavery can be offered (by Knight) as an alternative to:
...Execution
I pose to you the following questions (I will either use an average or some kind of bell curve depending on varience):
1. Evading arrest: How much gold should be fined (type specific amount)?
2. Theft (1st Offence): How much gold should be fined (type specific amount)?
3. Theft (2nd Offence): How long should public jail term be (type specific amount in RL time)?
4a. Murder (1st Offence): How long should semi-private jail term be (type specific amount in RL time)?
4b. .................................How much gold should be fined (type specific amount)?
5. Murder (2nd Offence): How long should semi-private jail term be (type specific amount in RL time)?
6. Serial Killers: How long should semi-private jail term be prior to execution (type specific amount in RL time)?
--- My Personal Take --- 1 1000 gp 2 5000 gp (and value of stolen item(s) if no longer in posession) 3 10 min 4a 20 min 4b 100,000 gp 5 30 min 6 30 min |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 13, 2004 22:58:23 GMT
1. 1000gp 2. 1000gp + (item(s) value, or the item). 3. 5 min. 4a. 10 min. 4b. 50,000gp 5. 20 min. 6. 30 min. Silentus, your # 5&6 answers are the same, doesn't that make 2+ murders=serial, but that was voted as 5+...  Edit: I also think we should cap the jail time at 30 minutes, anything more seems excessive. Honestly I was thinking 30 is a long time, but that's after being caught 5+ times for murder, meaning you would have already spent 20 minutes 5 times, so you had better be used to it... |
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Post by Silentus on Feb 13, 2004 23:25:24 GMT
Nope, what you missed Phoenix is up on top - the jail times I have the same, but the serial killer also gets executed after serving his time. There will be no cap in this discussion, just consensus. I doubt that many will vote higher than that though. And I intend to use some kind of bell curve if we see some poeple padding the numbers (so voting for a 2 RL day jail time is a waste of a vote  ) |
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Post by AvengersWraith on Feb 13, 2004 23:42:54 GMT
1 1000 gp
2 5000 gp (and value of stolen item(s) if no longer in posession)
3 10 min
4a 20 min
4b 100,000 gp
5 30 min
6 30 min
I'll stick with Silentus' take, after all, if a character doesn't feel the criminal paid enough for the crime he can always seek revenge outside the CJ system (but should tread softly here so as not to begin griefing the character, obtaining revenge once is one thing, repeatedly slaughtering another character is another).
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Post by Shwabba on Feb 14, 2004 3:42:26 GMT
1 1000 gp 2 5000 gp (and value of stolen item(s) if no longer in posession) 3 10 min 4a 20 min 4b 100,000 gp 5 30 min 6 30 RL Days....j/k ;D 30 min You nailed it for me on the first go, Silentus. So obviously you must be either a member of the Thought Police, or an evil, brain-sucking illithid!! DIE SQUIDFACE!!!!!!!......errrr, um, I mean, good job Your Possibly-Maybe A Teeny Bit Paranoid Shwabbaman *dons his tinfoil helmet* |
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Post by JoScMa on Feb 14, 2004 15:14:24 GMT
1. 1000 gp
2. 5000 gp + value of the stolen item(s)
3. 10 min.
4a. 20 min.
4b. 100,000
5. 30 min.
6. 30 min.
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Valen
Young One
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Post by Valen on Feb 14, 2004 19:00:02 GMT
Ok ...here it goes....  1. I think 5k... (remember how the economy is set up here .. anything less ..is a joke In my opinion) 2. 5k and the value of items stolen.. 3. 30 minutes... (it allows for a lttle bit of time ..to rp your jail time.out.. I think anything less is a waste.. I know some say thats a waste of there time..but..if your going to rp commiting crimes..you should be able to rp your consequences out IC without being affected personally. anything less is waste of the Knights time and all your evil people out there will look at the consequences as a joke... in my opinion of course.. ;D I know where your comming from Silentus..but lets be real here ..time flies when your rping ..and 30 minutes..thats nothing... I think you should up the cap time to an hour... lets make it fun... 4. a. 45 minute b. 50k 5. 2ND OFFENSE here.. 1hr..and all gold..and items... this will give the Knights a little more power and it will force the the killers to think and plan. otherwise...they go to jail and loose all there items... (it gives time for a jail break attempt and etc..) 6. I think if your going to be executed.. your time in jail should be 1hr. Just enough time to say good bye to all the people and just enough time for your friends to try and break you out of jail.... BUT...if all fails, I think if your character is faceing execution...that should mean perma death for that character...  come on .....you all need to give that some thought.... It makes sense.,.. otherwise, why call it execution then?? If my times are too high,,then change them all thats over the 30 minute cap..to 30 minutes...  |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 14, 2004 23:59:56 GMT
Nope, what you missed Phoenix is up on top - the jail times I have the same, but the serial killer also gets executed after serving his time. There will be no cap in this discussion, just consensus. I doubt that many will vote higher than that though. And I intend to use some kind of bell curve if we see some poeple padding the numbers (so voting for a 2 RL day jail time is a waste of a vote ) *smacks head* ok. |
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Post by Silentus on Feb 15, 2004 17:51:45 GMT
VAlen, sorry perma death is definately borders on ooc punishemnt and is not an option anyway as it was not one of the agreed upon punishments. I agree that it would bring proper realism to the game, however so would not being able to respawn to the Temple of Tyr every time you died.
Of course perma-death is always an option for anyone to who wants the RP, but that is not somehitng that will be enforced - totally up to the player.
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Valen
Young One
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Post by Valen on Feb 16, 2004 1:47:38 GMT
I know..but...in reference to someone being executed.. That comes after the person has been to jail..and has demomstrated that they are repeat offenders, murderers etc... It just makes sense that the final punishment that follows all of the previous stated above... would be ..the end of that character...Death.... ;D to justify it in rp terms...to fit this server. (there god has chosen not to bring them back) Otherwise... the final stage of punishment ...has really no effect..because...the person will respawn after there execution..and the cycle starts all over... And if that happens... it will completely strip the Paladins and Knights..and other forms of authority of all there power... I(C of course....) But thats my 2 cents... I understand that Perma death is not supported here ... and I can respect that...but I think in order for this justice system to work ...the penalties for peoples actions .has to have some way of being enforced...and it has to fit the crime... If people cant role play it out without taking things personally..then they should consider not commiting crimes against other players..etc... For instance... If Valen is caught stealing..or he has commited MURDER etc..and he somehow got caught... I made the choice to commit these crimes/acts..if I get caught ..I have to take responsibilty for my actions.. (out of character..I would problaby hate that he is going to die..or what have you...but IC he has to suffer...he has to serve his time..... Its all in fun though.... It adds drama to the server and excitement.. Make another character and keep the world going...people do it anyway,,, now they would have a reason to do it,,, LOL If they cant deal with the consequences then dont put there character in that position.... *SIGHS* *takes a deep breath* Im finish.. |
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Post by Spathic on Feb 16, 2004 2:56:40 GMT
you can give up your character when you go on a killing rampage if it'd make you happy.... personally i think the likely hood that anyone rampages enough to recieve that penalty without breaking server rules is very slim...
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 16, 2004 3:37:04 GMT
Let me put it this way, as one of your villians, if there is the possiblity my character will go bye-bye, so would I. There are plenty of HCR servers out there, thats one major reason I'm here, I dont like HCR death rules in any fashion.
If someone rampages and it's not IC and RPed, thats up to the DMs to apply the BAN-daid.
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Post by Zhoreb on Feb 16, 2004 11:49:55 GMT
No surprises here:
1 1000 gp
2 5000 gp (and value of stolen item(s) if no longer in possession)
3 5 min
4a 10 min
4b 100,000 gp
5 20 min
6 30+ min
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 16, 2004 16:48:26 GMT
1)- 5K GP - The economy is a factor here...anything less than that is not worth the effort to enforce.
2)- 10K GP + Value of stolen goods.
3)- 10 mins
4) a: 20mins
b: ermm...100k sounds ok
5)- 30 mins AT LEAST - If that char. is a serial killer, then they are asking for it really
6)- 30 mins...any more is laying it on a bit thick really IMO. However, the death isnt perma. death, so maybe they should lose ALL held gold as well...(Including bank)
Otherwise, the penalties for re-spawning will seem less than actually just being fined 100k for a first time murder.
In regards to slavery vs. execution...unless the penalty is increased for option 6 (Not the jail time...i mean the execution part...gold loss would be good, as stated above) then i cant see many ppl taking this option. I DO like the idea though, and i would love to see it implemented.
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Post by Silentus on Feb 17, 2004 23:22:58 GMT
Im about ready to close this topic, but Ill leve it one more day. Im still hoping to see from the following people:
Spathic
Hanah
Kline
Ride
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