Belt/bracers of the miner

[Ace Garp]

Preamble:

I know this is a subject that has been touched on before, but hopefully I am adding suggestions that are fresh and new.

I find crafting a big part of Fredian I was wondering if something is possible.

I have a reasonably high strength and at the moment most things don’t last too well when I hit them with a pick axe (especially is I get a critical)

I know that the copper pick axe used to have a -2 STR on it which I think caused some problems with players of lower strength.

Suggestions: (maybe you read the title)

Is it possible to have a belt or something of the miner with about -6 to -10 on STR. (low str characters just don’t you it.

Is it possible to limit the strength bonus a character has with certain items (kind of like how you dex bonus is limited by the armour you wear)

Change the critical hit on a pick axe to *2 instead of *4 (not many people use them as a melee weapon anyway)

[Atlantis]

Couple things to point out:

There are the opal/onyx jewerly that will help you decrease more of your strength.

The pick axe critical is the base, pick axes are meant to be x4; nothing can change with that.

And I doubt there can be anymore things that can be put into the tailoring system (or any system in that manner). Be nice to have - strength belt, but I doubt it's going to happen.

[Makzimia]

NWN does not allow stacking it would seem on -STR past a certain point, just as it does not allow +STR past a point. Basically with HotU came higher crits and higher STR. ATS was if you will remember written originally for the first version of NWN, and was fine still all the way through SOU. Now, that being said, if you have been following other threads on this here, Salandra and I are working on a way to solve this. If we are successful, the placeables that are mined will either a: last a particular amount of times and then break, and or b: be immune to crits. Now, the problem thus far... we have found no scripting commands to make a placeable immune to crits. If ANYONE can find a way to script that, let me know If we can find that, the problem goes away not just on ore but also on flowers, which I can hear the tailors hurraying now .

Thanks.

Makz.

[Phoenix]

This is a tough cookie to crack...

I have just been redoing my crafting with The Red Wizard, and I'm doing weapons now. First, I have low str (16/+3), so take in account.

Something I noticed is up until Mithril I rarely ran out of rocks to mine. With 3 rocks (below mithril 3 rocks of each type are easily found together) and the spawn times set at ~4 minutes, by the time I destroyed the last rock the first one respawned.

After that the number of rocks/type drops to 2, then 1 for adam. and myrk. At 2 rocks the wait was not bad at all.

At adam. I believe the HPs of the rocks goes down, I thought this was changed (back to the same HPs with faster spawns, but I can't find the threads now), but it seems adam rocks are going much faster than mithril. I have not been able to mine myrk yet, so I don't know what's going to happen there.

Since I'm a lower end str. character I'm kinda the 'worse' case for abuse since any fix will be for higher str. characters, as they are the ones getting the short end of the stick. If any change allows someone like me to bang away at the rock forever, that's no good.

Crits seem to be one of the bigger problems. Can we change the base item type of a pick axe (keep the description and picture) to something like a dagger? 1d4x2 crits. This may require a change in the ATS system since (make daggers mine rocks instead of pickaxes). This would help high str. characters, and wouldn't help low str. characters much.

Any other changes I can think of would make it exploitable for low str characters.

On a side note, you can have your str. reduced by mages' and clerics' spells. Not a great solution, but viable.

[Ace Garp]

On the spells issue. You can't cast detrimental spells on yourself.

[Phoenix]

Oh? Sure about that?

[Ace Garp]

I am a cleric and I have tried to curse myself. I couldn't do it. I will have another go tonight though.

[anomalylone]

To my understanding there is a script that can Stop "dev crit" on a server .
I'm not that skilled in scripting , alas I would think that If it was run " per mod " start up , it might be the same as some on the item commands.
I'm at work and I dont remember without looking at it , but was it "on entry" , or something as such.
After looking at the code it dont seem that it would be too hard to modify it. , the code is as follow's. "
void main()
{
object oPC = GetEnteringObject();
int nLevel = GetHitDice(oPC);

if(GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_BASTARDSWORD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_BATTLEAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_DAGGER,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_DART,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_DIREMACE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_DOUBLEAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_DWAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_GREATAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_GREATSWORD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_HALBERD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_HANDAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_HEAVYCROSSBOW,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_HEAVYFLAIL,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_KAMA,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_KATANA,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_KUKRI,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LIGHTCROSSBOW,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LIGHTFLAIL,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LIGHTHAMMER,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LIGHTMACE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LONGBOW,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_LONGSWORD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_MORNINGSTAR,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_QUARTERSTAFF,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_RAPIER,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SCIMITAR,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SCYTHE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SHORTBOW,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SHORTSPEAR,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SHORTSWORD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SHURIKEN,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SICKLE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_SLING,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_THROWINGAXE,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_TWOBLADEDSWORD,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_UNARMED,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_WARHAMMER,oPC)||
GetHasFeat(FEAT_EPIC_DEVASTATING_CRITICAL_CLUB,oPC))
{
SendMessageToPC(oPC,"Devastating Critical is unavailable, please re-level without that feat");
int nNewXP = (( nLevel * ( nLevel - 1 )) / 2 * 1000 ) - 1;
SetXP( oPC, nNewXP );
ExecuteScript("",OBJECT_SELF);
}
else return;
} "
Perhaps making the ore it's self become "no crit " on player "entry" , I could be wrong , but I was only hoping it would be a start .

But I'm sure makz will smack me down .
But I tryed for ya .

[Makzimia]

Consider yourself smacked down we looked at those, and as you can see, it is to stop use of those feats on a server when leveling up . What we need is something that doesn't seem to exist, the ability to either a: remove the feat off a player while using the pick axe, or make the placeable, items can have it, immune to criticals. There is no on enter on a placeable , there is a on used on attacked, on disturbed even, on spell cast at, last one we put a script on to stop players putting DR spells on the ore

What will more than likely happen is a timer will go off and when it stops, *BANG*. Or, as mentioned before, a number of hits will be counted, then *BANG*. But, it's a VERY tough one. For now, this is over, I have changed the amount of HP up, that is that for now. Someone finds a way to put a immune to crit on hit to a placeable, email me

Makz.