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Post by Fazroth on Oct 29, 2004 1:47:19 GMT
Today I realized that there isn't a need to run from the knights, I can just stand in West Styne and they still wount manage to lasso me. They have to completly kill me, which can become impossible if one of my friends is willing to heal me once in a while.
The idea behind knights is that they are there to enforce the laws, and should be a powerful force to reckon with.
I'd suggest two things to help out the knights. Up the DC of the lasso! This is important as Knights should be able to arrest people, and not just watch them walk by. I've seen knights fail with the lasso several several times when they are trying to lasso a dead person! To keep things fair for the people running, I would think a lasso shouldn't be usable during combat. If they want to swing away at the knight, the knight shouldn't be able to just tie them up without subdueing them first. Using a timestop and then tieing them up is a different story. (This could possibly lead to a problem with assult, but hopefully the general users would help aid the knights.)
The other suggestion I would give is to allow them to use the lasso in a no PvP zone. This is something that needs to be used with consideration, but the knights have shown themself to be trustworthy to Makz. If the criminal is crafting away, I would hope the knight is reasonable enough to give them a shot to get away. However if they cause a problem,and run to the nearest no PvP zone then lasso away!
To me it's a bit saddening to see someone be able to walk all over the knights. Crime is for the desert, away from cities, away from eyesight. If someone commits a crime right in front of a knight, the knights need to be able to act.
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Post by Silentus on Oct 29, 2004 6:23:09 GMT
I think you summed that up well Fazroth - as a player, I agree wholeheartedly.
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Post by Radog on Oct 29, 2004 13:15:47 GMT
Fazroth, I am not sure exactly what character(s) you play but people are not really supposed to be fighting in West Styne anyway, per Makzimia's wishes. Take it to one of the forest areas adjacent to West Styne if you have a beef with a Knight, because you could end up in OOC jail if you dont, where there is no DC to beat and no lock to pick; you automatically go to await "counseling" by a DM  . But I agree the DC on the lasso should be higher, as everything else up to Makzimia. And I wouldnt feel too invincible against the Knights if I were you, regardless of your build; I cannot speak for every other Knight but my character Aviar Maximus has not ever met any character that he couldnt beat, although he loses sometimes, though it is increasingly rare in the absence of triple and quadruple teams . And no one has ever "walked all over" him, nor have I seen it happen to often to Knights in general, so I guess I will see you in game.... Radog Ultimax1 |
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Post by Makzimia on Oct 29, 2004 13:49:39 GMT
As Aviar says, most knights can hold their own. We did a little bit of calculation yesterday, and I will be upping the DC of the doors in minimum security again today  . Also, I will look at the DC of the lasso, addicted did this work, so, I need to see how easy it is to up, it should be, I have adjusted similar stuff up until now  Makz. |
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Post by Makzimia on Oct 29, 2004 14:24:16 GMT
Had a look at addicted's VERY mathematical code for checks on lasso... beyond me sorry, he'll have to adjust it, I simply don't understand that structure. I did however up the DC on jail doors.
Makz.
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Post by addicted2rpg on Oct 29, 2004 20:19:02 GMT
I'll send Makz an update possibly Sunday evening or Monday with a +2 increase, if no other value is communicated.
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Post by Havokk on Nov 7, 2004 12:44:09 GMT
Help the Knights? Why?! Every encounter I've had with Knights they've come across as arrogant, self-righteous bully boys. They aren't getting my help.
Cheers
Craig
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Post by Misty512 on Nov 7, 2004 15:03:11 GMT
Sorry I have to say this. But as a relatively new player I have to agree with Havokk.
In in RP theres no need for quite so much arrogance. And I quote "If you wish to address me, step back or pay the consequences" Sheesh! get over yerself.
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Post by Makzimia on Nov 7, 2004 15:48:04 GMT
Certain Knights, probably Aviar here are like that IC, that is TOTALLY IC, he is arrogant as a knight, he's also devious, as is Xilo , but, trust me do not take those characteristics as a OOC of the person, far from it! so, please take the time to talk ooc to them if you have an issue, you'll learn what I mean. Edit: oh and also, some of the knights IC have had reason to turn a little suspicous of certain types of players, if they have reason to suspect something IC, based on rumour etc. Makz. |
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Post by JoScMa on Nov 7, 2004 15:51:35 GMT
Havokk and Misty, do not say that for all knights please. You never met Mackenzie and his personality is nothing like what you describe.
The character you do describe, most likely Aviar, always acts like that. It is a part of his personality. That is how Radog RP's Aviar and he is nothing like that OOC.
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Post by Hanah on Nov 7, 2004 18:35:57 GMT
Maybe a bit late, but I'd like to chime in on this too. I think there are a couple of points that people might be missing here.
As JoScMa has pointed out, in the case of at least one of our knights that is part of his well-established personality. Not everyone is a nice person IC. The players behind the knight characters are *role playing*, just like you or I. They have their likes, their dislikes, their hangups and their pet peeves. As Makzimia has pointed out some of them have valid historical reasons for being suspicious towards a certain type of person. They are role playing. This is a good thing. "If you wish to address me, step back or pay the consequences" is an example of RP.
In encounters between knights and non-knight characters, I've seen more abuse coming from the non-knight (both IC and OOC) than the other way around. I've seen our knights put up with an awful lot of rough treatment from an awful lot of people. So from an IC perspective you really can't blame the *character* for giving it back from time to time. After all... isn't believable roleplay about action and reaction?
I've said it before and I'll say it again... I think our knights do a fine job. They are highly visible in the community (hence this thread!), they are known for their actions, and they do an invaluable service for this server, both IC and OOC. You don't have to personally like their characters to acknowledge these things. If something about the way a person is RPing their character irks you, it might be beneficial to mentally take a step back. Be aware not to take things personally: it isn't characters posting about their frustrations here, it's players. And if something about the way someone RPs is deeply, deeply irritating you, maybe it's best to just maintain some distance for the time being.
Hanah
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Post by Misty512 on Nov 8, 2004 3:26:58 GMT
LOL irritating not really. Over the top (you had to be there) definitely , even for the most arrogant s.ob. on the island.
Hell my characters best friend is Twig the Kender who is probably a thorn in the side of most everyone he meets. I know how to RP and distinguish between OC and IC.
Therefore take it as written in the spirit of the topic..help the knights? why should I they have "earned" no respect from my PC .
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Post by Silentus on Nov 8, 2004 4:02:47 GMT
The topic may be misleading The point of the origanl post was that the Knights Lasso had become much less effective as builds had become more powerful. From a PLAYER standpoint, the fun of RPing crimes when there is little chance of consequence is lessened. We, the players*, were expressing an interest in making the knighthoods tools more effetive for game fun... While we, the characters*, would probably like to see them rot *General opinion of the masses, individual players and characters may varie BTW, I will always love Radog (Ultimax) for making Aviar - Avair's considers all non-knights & officals peasants and treats them as such. It was a very conscious and in my opinion wonderful choice. I LOVE having Vugor hate Aviar, more fun for me! |
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Post by Preedy1978 on Nov 8, 2004 22:37:44 GMT
LOL irritating not really. Over the top (you had to be there) definitely , even for the most arrogant s.ob. on the island. Hell my characters best friend is Twig the Kender who is probably a thorn in the side of most everyone he meets. I know how to RP and distinguish between OC and IC. Therefore take it as written in the spirit of the topic..help the knights? why should I they have "earned" no respect from my PC . Fair enough, but this thread was started from an OOC observation, and thats an IC reaction to someone else's RP, and thats all fine and dandy. The issue "this" thread is discussing, is basically this: The Knights are treated as people with bullseyes over their uniforms, and "attract" attention, and threatening behaviour, rather than deterring it for themselves and the people around them. Maybe things need to be changed to make the knights "feared" rather than just targets? I know people dont even worry about the law catching them if they murder or rob someone, because, at the end of the day, the knights are simply not feared enough, and they dont have the tools or equipment. The new jail DC will affect this slightly, but we'll just have to wait and see. |
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Post by Silentus on Nov 8, 2004 22:42:07 GMT
Lets call this topic done - Makz Increased the DC as requested locked. |
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. But I agree the DC on the lasso should be higher, as everything else up to Makzimia.
. Also, I will look at the DC of the lasso, addicted did this work, so, I need to see how easy it is to up, it should be, I have adjusted similar stuff up until now 
