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Post by Silentus on Mar 1, 2004 22:53:00 GMT
Please note, this ammendment is already in use, but I thought we should put it to vote to validate the knights existing behaviour:
Ammendment 1:
1. A knight may imprison anyone (minimum sentance) for insubordinate behavior IF[/u] that the offending character has recieved at least one verbal warning of the consequences they will recieve should they not desist.
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2. If it is possible, shoulg Addicted add a 5 minute sentance to the Lasso for these situations?
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--- My Personal Take ---
1. Yes. This is needed as if there is NO respect shown to Knights, they become ineffectual - If order cannot be attained, it is VERY difficult to determine what is happening in a situation.
2. Yes. I want to encourage people to speak thier mind, but currently the minmum sentance is 10 minutes. Currently vehemently speakig your mind 12 times can you get executed! Some players have expressed interest in perma-deathing thier own executions so I dont want them to be forced into it over words.
(Addicted2RPG - If people like this, is a 5 minute lasso even possible from a techinical perspective?)
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Post by Spathic on Mar 1, 2004 23:00:00 GMT
1 yes
2 not necessary... 10 minutes is fine...
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 1, 2004 23:30:18 GMT
1.No, we just got rid of martial law and I was thankfull. I do see us needing to add some laws to fill the gaps, but this is just too wide open for me. What if I reworded the question to state.
"Should we allow the knights to jail anyone for saying anything they disagree with?" (with warning).
Given the questionable use of the lasso (jailing people for made up crimes, the only one I agree with is the King Wend scenario), I wouldn't want to expand the use just yet.
2. moot point, I voted no to 1. However, I do think 5 minutes may want to be considered because there are other crimes we should consider to fill the gaps. Attempted murder, for example, is not listed (wouldn't recommend 5 mins, but thats just and example).
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Post by Silentus on Mar 1, 2004 23:48:42 GMT
Actually Pheonix, I have no problem with that. As long as the knights give warning thats fine, just take the issue somewhere out of thier sight and sew my desent behind the scenes - at that point it might be time to stage a real coup and take down all the knights.
Overall I completely feel that the Knights need to be beholden to a power that is more interactive with them than King Merrick is currently, but Makz has decreed that this is how it is - so this is how it is. Plus I am getting a distinct feeling thank Cartoonic and/or Makz has something interesting in store for us with the King. I'm just trying to bide our time for now. Give it a chance to work out. If we handt written what we did, the lasso wouldve been even more chaotic than what it is now. Its going to take some time. Overall the Knights are not trying to abuse what we wrote, they are trying to use it. Give it a chance for now. Otherwise we just behead Frost again (sorry for the painful metaphor Sniven).
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Post by ride on Mar 1, 2004 23:55:46 GMT
I do think if we are going to use this system that we need to define some other things too... for instance why is lil V's fine the same as the one for murder? he didn't kill anyone... but I guess it could be argued that his actions caused a "murder" (quotes because those PC's that were "murdered" are still walking around among us) and therefor it is the same thing... but the knights maybe should be more consise in their reasons, rather than "pay us." "no? well then goto jail again and we'll tack on another amount of gold for you to pay us..." the way I see it, that will be the only crime soon, non payment of fines imposed by previous "crimes" which really isn't that much fun IMO... how do we oppose the payment? run? well now you've "evaded arrest". don't pay it? go back to jail and owe more.... if one of the knights had told lil V this aspect of it, he might have been more understanding, he is CN and has been known to have attacks of morality from time to time.... just some thoughts. I'm enjoying the system we have, (I absolutly love being one of fredians most wanted  ) but yeah... we might need to define a few more things in this before it is "perfect" ( which it will never be, it can't be perfect to everyone ) almost forgot: 1: yeah.. of course duh... cops do it now in RL why can't they? 2: sure, but only if Nat has time |
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 2, 2004 0:03:18 GMT
OK so fine, they answer to the king, are we just giving more issues to bring up by allowing this? Do people not see the MASSIVE grey areas here? We have grey areas in the current system, why complicate them by adding broad jailable acts? They seem to have a hard time picking between: Theft Murder Avoiding arrest for the above. Why are we even considering such a broad law when VERY specific ones can't be upheld, and the knights simply come up with their own to replace them? I have outlined some of these new "laws" in this thread. makzimia.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=criminal&action=display&thread=1078182386Please review the statements from the Knigts and let me know where one of the 3 laws we have were violated. If someone can explain how the current system was upheld in ANY of these posts I would consider changing my vote. As it is now I don't see the current system being used and I want to know why? |
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Post by Hanah on Mar 2, 2004 0:11:59 GMT
Quickie vote free of ambiguity!
1) Yes
2) Yes please
Hanah
... would really love to see a lasso animation but that probably isn't happening:-)
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Post by AvengersWraith on Mar 2, 2004 4:12:40 GMT
Maybe an adjustment to the jail system, the fines must be paid before the prisoner is released. This can be done by the prisoner or friends of the prisoner. For those who have no friends or friends on at the time or no gold, 1 additional minute of jail time = 10,000 GP, a 100,000 GP fine with no gold being paid to the prison warden results in 10 minutes of extra jail time (which is quite lenient considering some of the courts here in Arizona only allow $10.00 of the fine to be reduced for each day in jail, and I do know this from personal experience).
Interferring with a criminal investigation can actually be quite a serious offense depending on the crime, doing it during the crime can actually be called aiding and abedding in the crime. It is one thing to watch the chaos in action from a distance, another to participate.
I would not object to the knights being able to hand out "disturbing the peace" sentences which would be 10,000 GP or 1 minute in jail. This would be really handy for a knight to get rid of someone who is attempting to distract them while they are trying to ascertain what all is happening and what crimes have actually occurred.
Until Nat can get a really funtional tracking system in place (I personally prefer the forums and the knights keeping track manually)that only the forums be used for now.
Makz, may want to actually add to the rules that attacking King Wend may, at the king's discretion, result in character being perma-killed. King Wend, in character, has the power to totally annilate a character so as make them unable to respawn. Not so much that it is a rule, but an advanced warning to all players that don't want to lose a character to perma-death. And plots against King Wend are not prohibited, but the end results are more severe than plots against knights, residents and towns (the main protaganist in Fredian is King Wend ((whether good or evil is not widely known, but suspected to be fair if not actually good, IMO)).
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Post by Makzimia on Mar 2, 2004 14:38:13 GMT
FYI: I asked Nat already about making the lasso take the gold amount along with jailing already  Makz. |
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Post by Caindarkhost on Mar 2, 2004 14:49:16 GMT
1)yes
2)yes i would like to see more fines for crimes.
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Post by Silentus on Mar 2, 2004 14:49:55 GMT
Sweet. I guess I never even thought of that |
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Post by Zhoreb on Mar 2, 2004 15:17:18 GMT
Quick Vote:
Yes
Yes
Quick Note:
I don't mind having Knights arresting people for disturbing the peace or other vague 'crimes'. But I would hate to see anyone executed for serial disturbing the peace.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Mar 2, 2004 18:16:32 GMT
1)- yes 2)- yes The above will make my life a lot easier...as it is i am arresting people whom ignore REPEATED warnings to curb their behaviour (IC of course). ICwise, karl doesnt mind speaking their mind, and this isnt what its about Phoenix...what it is about is general disorder causing, and in general people who approach Knights and are disrespectful in such a way that even Karl takes offence to. (Hell...and i beieve that Karl is VERY forgiving IC, he gives chars. numerous chances to back down in this sort of thing before acting). An RL cop has the power to do this...and i realise that this isnt real life....but something has to be done to reduce the level of potential abuse the Kngihts take. (I get a lot with Karl IC already). How about that this sort of crime is 5 minutes jail time, if this can be implemented...and keep it out of peoples records? I mean, its not too serious a crime, and people really shouldnt have to face execution just for being rude! (hmm...or should they? Could be that they're inciting rebelious behaviour... ) |
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Post by Omega Darkstar on Mar 2, 2004 18:43:51 GMT
1) YES
2) YES
The first one seems simple enough....atleast they give you a chance. Secondly, five minutes isn't that bad, but like Preedy said it shouldn't be a mark on your record. Think of it as a parking ticket. ;D
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Post by Silentus on Mar 2, 2004 19:43:09 GMT
Sorry, closing this poll for a more inclusive, more specific one based on what was being said in the general board. The new Poll will hopefully be much better for all.  Sorry for this mis-poll on my part |
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) but yeah... we might need to define a few more things in this before it is "perfect" ( which it will never be, it can't be perfect to everyone )
"There are only three sports--mountain climbing, bullfighting, and motor racing--all the rest being games." Ernest Hemingway 
Sorry for this mis-poll on my part 