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Post by kline on Jan 27, 2004 16:50:45 GMT
I got an old hand at doing bad guys. Simply said, evil is harder on Fredian (but not necessarily other places) because of the non-RP people. People arn't *required* to RP on Fredian, which introduces a more complex element. It takes a certain bit of extra work in making assessments about who you are being evil to, and with, and how evil.
We literally have the rainbow of RPrs, from ultra light to ultra heavy, and of course, those who do none at all.
In fact, most server conflicts seem to surround a failure in said assessments, usually two different grades of RP'rs seeing eachother on entirely different levels. With evil, this is certaintly intensified.
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This was so wonderfully said I wanted it posted again this explains allot a whole lot. I know I am the evil. ;D
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Post by Tenra on Jan 28, 2004 13:20:44 GMT
Ok I change my vote to yes its harder. Why?
With the new justice system being discused and the way it will impact the evil it will make it really hard on them.
Seems everyone trying to stop them from killing other folks. I personal dont mind pvp murder long as they dont make them respawn for a loss. They can show how powerful or evil they are by kiling me just dont make me respawn or it becomes personal. The respawn and pvp is over Rule can work out great for you evils.
You can stage robberys ,muggings ,assassination and ambushes and long as you win and they dont get away your scott free. Providing you didnt make them respawn.
BUT rule should state if you die you must wait for a raise to have a chance to remember what happen to in that pvp encounter. And if you plan on killing someone you must have a raise dead scroll or dont even start the fight. Now if they start the fight and you win they die then you have the choice to raise them or not. Thats the risk they took. Or something like that.
If the justice system gets made to stiff , i think it will cut down most evil. Without evil what is good and you might as well make all zones non pvp.
You get wacked and left to respawn thats not fun. You get wacked and told you been mugged or what ever plot then raised and back to your bussiness with a story you go.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Jan 28, 2004 15:00:37 GMT
NO...*sigh* these new rules are to stop bad OOC behaviour..NOT IC evil. People need to realise that there is a difference between the two of them and deal with it.
Simply put, I merely wished for a debate on this issue, and it has turned out rather well.
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Hanah
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Hanah Dedraluin<br>Kether<br>Verine Odama
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Post by Hanah on Jan 28, 2004 18:13:00 GMT
I will resurface in this thread:-)
I think we've slipped back to the notion that 'killing' is the only evil thing you can do... and maybe the frustrations of OOC revenge killings are why we keep thinking that way. Hey Phoenix, if you get that Evil Plot Generato-Matic (pat. pend.) working maybe you could post a link, hmm?
That being said, I was under the impression that this justice system was an RP, IC measure, preedy... maybe I missed something? After all, an IC punishment means next to nothing to someone who doesn't care to RP, right...? (Their loss, but hey:-))
Hanah
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Post by Silentus on Jan 28, 2004 18:19:31 GMT
Youve got it right there Hanah. All Justice systems discussed are for IC only. OOC matters fall to the dms - repeated abuses result in harsh penelties including CD banning. Make no mistake Makz does it, if I understood him right, he did it to 2 people just yesterday. I (and other here) really appreciate that he does that too - if a person has trouble following the few basic OOC rules that exist here, they can go find an arena server and leave us be.
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Post by Phoenix on Jan 28, 2004 18:41:00 GMT
The crime system will only add to role play, especially if it's simple, which is the aim now. Hanah, it's a work ing progress, unfortunatly creativity is not my strong suite.  Tomorrow I'll post some links to canned plot lines I found, some good stuff there. They are DM based stuff but you can adapt them into player plot lines just fine. |
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Hanah
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Post by Hanah on Jan 28, 2004 18:43:45 GMT
Eh heh... sorry Phoenix didn't mean to put you on the spot, I was just stating that you were one of the 'baddies' who was considering things other than mindless slaughter as evil. You don't have to divulge your sinister secrets, honest:-)
Hanah
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Post by Preedy1978 on Jan 29, 2004 12:20:17 GMT
Erm...sorry, i meant in regard to the new rules in the journal about the end of PvP.
Tenra also pointed out that evil RP will be more difficult with the new justice system in place. Well, maybe, maybe not, after all, who said everything has to be done in styne where a guard can see you anyways?
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Post by MitzaVolchenko on Jan 29, 2004 17:35:07 GMT
*grins and chuckles evilly*
I still have no winners on the which character is evil contest! Wonderful...frankly I shouldn't have a winner for another few months when all of my evil schemes come to fruition!
The point of RP'ers vs Non-Rp'ers is a good one. I tend to be an RP purist. For instance I sat around in Hanah's living room for the majority of the day after Frost went down because Mala would not let Hanah wake up to an empty house. I likewise spent at least three and half hours in a jail cell because Mala would not let Karl end her sentence for RP reasons. Yes, both were relatively speaking boring periods of time, but a lot went through the character's head and you are all seeing the results in RP....
I forget sometimes that there are folks out there that play this game just like any other 'fighting' game...leveling to get their next uber-power and acquiring stuff just to have the most bad @ss toys. Are they wrong? No. However everyone needs to realize that if they are playing an Evil PC and get caught, the RP killing or stripping of stuff is the RP consequence and part of the RP of the situation. Even if you are not an RP'er, the game is designed for it, and you must consider it to be part of the rules.
Also note that PK=player killing NOT character killing. Please do not consider them synonyms.
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Post by Adyanna79 on Jan 29, 2004 18:05:22 GMT
I would have to say that evil or good... good rp is hard...
It is easy to fall into the stereotypes and just go with the flow...
I just am amaze on how fast some Good char get insulted and start a fight with evil char over a few bad words...
I am amazed at the number of people who steal to get a rise out of people and don't respect some of the basic rules of manners and called it RP.
I mean it comes down to the intent of people...
Acting evil is not all my friends... If your intent is evil... Then you are playing evil... even if you are doing a favor for the good king of the land...
And that is the finesse that is lost on both side when I fight breaks out in the midlle of Styne. And RP comes down to that... what is your char motivation why is he stealing form everybody... because it is possible to steal and be good if your intent is good like robin hood...
(I know there is no more cliche than that but it was to get my point across).
The action are not that important it's the idea behind and how you make them knowed...
And That is my opinion on the subject.
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Post by Phoenix on Jan 29, 2004 18:17:17 GMT
Eh heh... sorry Phoenix didn't mean to put you on the spot, I was just stating that you were one of the 'baddies' who was considering things other than mindless slaughter as evil. You don't have to divulge your sinister secrets, honest:-) Hanah Oh, I have no problem trying to help people, no sinister secrets here (except the ones in play  ). Here's something I found. home.mira.net/~tosh/index2.htmGoto plots and ideas and check out the net.plots books. Like I said these are DM based RP plots, but good stuff can be culled from them. |
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 2, 2004 22:37:18 GMT
The ayes have it.
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Blake
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Post by Blake on Feb 3, 2004 16:45:07 GMT
Hanah makes a really good point the BEST evil charactors dont just blantanly run around and kill people or destroy things in the public eye, a true evil charactor can be rped that way but they can also be rped in a devious sense. For instance its much better to be evil and not have anyone know is it not? turn freinds against friends have your enemys do your dirty work while you sit back and look like the good guy. This can be done by telling IC lies, shareing IC secrets, Instagation but once again only being nice and telling the things to the players you want to corrupt. How evilily satasifying is it to have one best freind kill another based on a rumor you spread or a small lie you told them ect ;D
Now this does take quite a bit of RP effort and means that the people you are trying to turn, corrupt or whatever will also have to do their part and not metagame and honestly play their charactor, and one VERY important thing is that i mentioned everything In Charactor, never ever should a player lie to another OOC its just bad the only reason a charactor should lie to another is if its IC and part of the rp
well thats my two cents
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Norah
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Post by Norah on Feb 4, 2004 21:42:25 GMT
Fredian lacks a true villain. When he or she arises, I will have someone ready to be liuetenant commander ;D
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Post by AvengersWraith on Feb 4, 2004 22:05:41 GMT
With Fal Druar being on Sabbatical until NWN puts out a patch to make RDD 10th level and higher legal I am working on an evil character and plot as the days pass by. ((oh yeah, MSN and Qwest just told me another week to get my DSL Up, wish I could act out evil schemes on them, boy do I have a lot of frustration that belongs directed at them)) ((boy do I feel better, my DSL is up, they must of wanted me to be frustrated ~ Didn't even get to a second post when a loud knock came upon my door, "UPS", lets go Brown)) |
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