taylor
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S is for Shurikens
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Post by taylor on Feb 2, 2004 22:56:17 GMT
i saw some rather bad roleplay just a while ago, from what i can remember (( yes i cant remember 5 minutes ago lol)) i saw someone doing a trade over poor mack being the bearer of items to the good dwarf tagnus, and it was done rather quickly as well, if iwas to do it id say "if you see *my other chars name* would you be so kind to give these to him" but i wouldnt log out straight away id hangaround till ive got to go, then next time log on as the other char and wait for my stuff. sure i know its a pain to the bearer of items but its a little more respectable. any opinions on this  |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 2, 2004 23:10:51 GMT
I'm going to say it's OK, especially given on the rules here.
2. ALL play styles are acceptable on Fredian other than PK...
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5. Metagaming for the sake of it is frowned on... if you have more than one PC and you want to switch equipment amongst them.. a: the server cleans what you drop when you leave anyway.. and b: better have a good reason to do it, ie: your PC A knows PC B well.. and left it for them, with someone.
So as long as the PCs know eachother, it's kosher. So at best it's bad form or RPing. But I disagree there too.
Person A and person B meet on the streets, person A gives person B an item for person C. Person A walks away, not knowing person C is right around the corner, walking their way. As person A walks around the corner person C walks up and gets the item from person B.
I see no reason why this couldn't happen in real life, so I think it's good RP. Now if this 'system' of moving equipment was abused (moving whole sets of items and such, more than once) then I'd think it's bad form, but still within the rules of the server.
I try to never think poorly of someones play when they are following written rules.
Coincidental, sure, to their advantage, sure. Bad RP? nope...
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Post by Silentus on Feb 3, 2004 0:23:32 GMT
To me thats all about how it was handled (full text). I have done this myself a bit between my 2 characters Silentus and Vugor. They do share a house and are polar opposites on the intellect scale, but I have cultivated reasons for them to coexist well together. I wold not be comfortable doing so otherwise.
At the same time, I try never to abuse that and also tend to RP things out quite a bit with it. It is not uncommon however for one of the characters to go 'find' the other one when I know someone is looking for the one not logged on.
Personal rules of thumb on this:
1. Never logoff in front of people you are RPing with when switching character - always get out of line of site (or better yet to a differnt area).
2. Always try to get and give the story needed from both sides (Vugor: Me go home and tell Silentus yous lookin fer hims, okays? ... Silentus: *Writes* Vugor said you were in need of my skills, how may I be of assistance?)
Yes, its minor stuff, but I feel like it lends a little bit a credence to a situation in which you are unable to play both characters simotaneously.
My 2 cents...
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Post by AvengersWraith on Feb 3, 2004 4:14:28 GMT
I've been guilty of not doing it in good RP fashion, usually it involves getting crafting components from 1 PC to another so they can be given to a third party or my receiving character can craft an item. When I am on playing, I am not playing in RP mode 100% of the time (probably less than 20%, but I am on an aweful lot), I have for a few exchanges, RPed it out, but sometimes I am playing in a party where the end result is the goal, not the story leading to an unknown end.
I say it all depends on who you are with, the circumstances and the reason.
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Post by JoScMa on Feb 3, 2004 14:49:29 GMT
I thought it was okay from a RP perspective as Fadien knew Tagnus and Tagnus was requesting items from Fadien. So Fadien (aka airforcebum) was kind enough to give Tagnus the parts to make Katana of the Dragons. Although he did do a bad bit of RP by logging off right in front of me instead of walking out of sight, but no biggie.
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Post by Adyanna79 on Feb 3, 2004 15:17:48 GMT
Look I think at some point or another we are all guilty of more or less bad rp... I sure know I have been off the Ball lately...(want to apologies to all)... And sometimes it is hard to separate the frustration of the players and the one of the char... But on the issue of having equipement shift... At least he mentioned it in char... most people just walk to a friend use TELL to say"give this to my char Joe" and then log off and back on... I am a lot more concern with people who cast high level spells and call their Balor Fluffy (no offense I no you where just "having fun", But if I was forcing a Balor to obey my will I would not be treating them lightly... (And why fluffy it has no hair...  )And in my opinion most spellcaster in NWN treat their spell far more light-ely than they would in a D&D environment...) But this is just a game so let's relax and enjoy the server... |
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Post by AvengersWraith on Feb 3, 2004 15:35:08 GMT
AWARENESS
being aware of others around you whether or not they are in your little circle of activity, but whether or not they can see or hear you
Sometimes I am to tired when leaving to look for a hiding spot, but normally I look for a tree or building to hide behind when leaving the server. This isn't for me, this is for people who might see me instantly disappear.
I've seen mages and sorcerers use spell effects effectively when leaving the server, it is only about aesthetics.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 3, 2004 16:06:37 GMT
I'm starting to use the epic mage armour spell effect to exit if I'm in front of people. Otherwise I try to leave the area/line of sight before exiting, but sometimes I forget. Oh well...
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Post by Spathic on Feb 3, 2004 22:16:47 GMT
i usually go into a home to logout... that way i don't get stuck in some odd corner...
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Blake
Young One
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Post by Blake on Feb 3, 2004 22:21:49 GMT
my take on "metagaming" or giving another charactor equipment is that if its rped its fine, i dont do it only because i want THAT char to earn his/her items even if it means making freinds and having them give him/her stuff its still the result of THAT pc. BUT i disagree that it shouldnt be aloud as this is just a game and if that person has aquired the player has earned it one way or another so i dont see a problem with it as long as they RP it....if its not rped then thats just kind of cheating isnt it  |
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Post by Silentus on Feb 3, 2004 22:32:45 GMT
I agree with you there Blake.
For inventory swapping - The only times I did it with my characters was when Vugor couldnt spawn certain woodland creatuers (especially brown & grizzly bears) while Silentus could. This was from a Bioware bug, and since Makz has done some work to alleviate that problem till Bioware figures out what all it messed up.
For powerleveling - This one I dont do because my primary character (Vugor) doesnt fight with others almost ever. However, I cant fault hose who do too much, 'cause again - its from a bioware bug. It's not exactly metagameing with respect to the game, just with respect to players who dont know about it (which most do now). My choice to not do it is my own.
I still wont say all metagaming is wrong, but try to consider your motives, as well as the motives from any and all characters of your tht are involved..
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 3, 2004 23:23:12 GMT
I will not fault anyone for powerleveling (bringing a much lower level character to increase your XP/kill) because of that bug. Heck I would love nothing more that to get in a party with my other higher level friends and actually get XP for things we do. Until bioware gets the next patch out, I'll have to deal with bringing in someone that really doesn't belong... As it is, I got to a certian level and have played there for about a week or so, now I'm getting that itch again. After the bug is fixed I wouldn't mind a server rule against it though... |
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Serion
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Post by Serion on Feb 3, 2004 23:45:50 GMT
Alright Alright since I'm the one being accused of bad roleplay I have to answer this.
My character Fadien in the IC world met Tagnus before she met anyone else. In fact it was Tagnus that trained her to become a warrior and sponsored her training in the use of a longsword.
Fact of that matter is that Fadien is NOT a weaponcrafter, and all I transferred over from Mack was the components that were required for crafting. I did do RP style, since week before this happened many people knew that my character Fadien and my character Tagnus were good friends...if you dont believe me ask preedy1978, he knows
Both of the characters are high level, its not like I was metagaming and trying to get one character high quickly....Tagnus was giving items to Fadien, who is level 27...Fadien is already higher than most people levels-wise, so its not really metagaming
If you guys took as much time to become a master craftsmen in tradeskills with a single character, you'll understand why I did what I did, and I specifically followed Makz's rule on the metagaming thing "If the two characters know each other IC then its fine" so careful what you call bad role playing
Airforcebum
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)And in my opinion most spellcaster in NWN treat their spell far more light-ely than they would in a D&D environment...) But this is just a game so let's relax and enjoy the server...
