Post by FaithIsTruth on Feb 5, 2004 3:55:55 GMT
I couldnt post on my IGMS/Forceful hand post so I did it here. . .
I wasn't burt at PvP, I WAS attacked but escaped. I play in alot of PvP servers, some even with level 40 items and mages find ways to get around using these spells, since using them, if they arent already disabled, gets you booted/banned. Diversify your spells first, I doubt if any char has 50 resist to everything in this module, emp or max ice storm is a very good spell, horrids are great, unless somebody has necro immu, fingers of death, delayed blast fireball, which can do about 100 dmg, dont think that IGMS isnt the ONLY spell out there guys, especially Phoenix, I can see IC reasons for using these spells. . . it just seems wrong to me, and I DO dislike being yelled at, I suppose thta this is an RP server and not really a PvP server like I normally play on so RP is the main focus other than power, so it really isnt much of an issue who kills who, but I still feel bad every time I use these spells, shouldnt PK be at least a little fun?
It's difficult to kill people with timestops unless you have like 6 of them(I think in this server you can get around timestop by being in hide mode, I'm not sure, havent really tested it), at higher levels Timstop isnt an issue if there's no IGMS because who can do 300+ damage in two or three timestops? Because thats as much as they'd be able to do because you'd run out of spells, timestop=level 9, emp fod=level 9, most damage spells ARE level 9 if they're going to kill a level 40 character, so i dont believe timestop is really an issue, and of COURSE I've seen harm and dev crit, Harm is easy to prevent, shadow shield works nicely, mantle, spell resist, cheap spell though yes specially against fighters. . . Dev crit reallly isnt fair. . . I havent seen the DCs on it but there ARE items that get you +5 fort and such, many many. I'm not sure how much good that would do but hey. Different strategies, like you asked for, different ideas, and it didnt really take me too long to come up with them . . . I have seen the wish spell in PnP, I havent really seen amny people in PnP killing each other though. . .
My largest issue here was the mage battles though, we arent talking about one mage doing dev crit on another, I simply want to know, why use these really cheap spells, when you dont have to?
I'm sorry but I will continue to look down on players who use these as a first resort, I try to keep my PvPing as clean as possible unless the other player uses a cheap spell first.
Edit: I would LOVE some counters against IGMS. . . sr save would probably be the best I think, just cause then some at least would hit and the character could get around it by having spell penetration feats. . .
I wasn't burt at PvP, I WAS attacked but escaped. I play in alot of PvP servers, some even with level 40 items and mages find ways to get around using these spells, since using them, if they arent already disabled, gets you booted/banned. Diversify your spells first, I doubt if any char has 50 resist to everything in this module, emp or max ice storm is a very good spell, horrids are great, unless somebody has necro immu, fingers of death, delayed blast fireball, which can do about 100 dmg, dont think that IGMS isnt the ONLY spell out there guys, especially Phoenix, I can see IC reasons for using these spells. . . it just seems wrong to me, and I DO dislike being yelled at, I suppose thta this is an RP server and not really a PvP server like I normally play on so RP is the main focus other than power, so it really isnt much of an issue who kills who, but I still feel bad every time I use these spells, shouldnt PK be at least a little fun?
It's difficult to kill people with timestops unless you have like 6 of them(I think in this server you can get around timestop by being in hide mode, I'm not sure, havent really tested it), at higher levels Timstop isnt an issue if there's no IGMS because who can do 300+ damage in two or three timestops? Because thats as much as they'd be able to do because you'd run out of spells, timestop=level 9, emp fod=level 9, most damage spells ARE level 9 if they're going to kill a level 40 character, so i dont believe timestop is really an issue, and of COURSE I've seen harm and dev crit, Harm is easy to prevent, shadow shield works nicely, mantle, spell resist, cheap spell though yes specially against fighters. . . Dev crit reallly isnt fair. . . I havent seen the DCs on it but there ARE items that get you +5 fort and such, many many. I'm not sure how much good that would do but hey. Different strategies, like you asked for, different ideas, and it didnt really take me too long to come up with them . . . I have seen the wish spell in PnP, I havent really seen amny people in PnP killing each other though. . .
My largest issue here was the mage battles though, we arent talking about one mage doing dev crit on another, I simply want to know, why use these really cheap spells, when you dont have to?
I'm sorry but I will continue to look down on players who use these as a first resort, I try to keep my PvPing as clean as possible unless the other player uses a cheap spell first.
Edit: I would LOVE some counters against IGMS. . . sr save would probably be the best I think, just cause then some at least would hit and the character could get around it by having spell penetration feats. . .
It happened to me last night, you can only do so much damage vs. heal potions, and when you run out of spells...
"There are only three sports--mountain climbing, bullfighting, and motor racing--all the rest being games." Ernest Hemingway 
) opinion, only a character with either a limited intelligence or wisdom would resort to using the same trick over and over again. Think about all the video games you've ever played. The bosses that only had two or three moves were the easiest to beat, because you *knew* what they were going to do before they did it. Also, when is the last time you read a good book where a character only had one trick up their sleeve and never got beat down because of it? A highly intelligent character would be able to contrive many different strategies using varied abilities to defeat his foes. Likewise, a very wise character would realize that by diversifying his attack/defense methods, his enemies would be less able to predict his actions and thus be less able to defend against them. I'm not saying mages, or anyone, should completely cut certain actions out of their retinue, but you should definitely spice things up a bit. If every mage I fight goes in sequence (1.timestop/forceful hand 2.IGMS/firebrand 3.Rinse, Repeat) then what's the point in interacting with *different* people? Since I'm basically fighting the same poorly scripted mob anyway, I'll just pick one guy and stick with him. However, if you learned to RP by playing EverQuest, by all means continue clicking the same button over and over again. Just makes it easier for me to know what defense/attack patterns to use 
You're a smart fellow, Phoenix, so I know you've probably already figured out the one that I'm thinking of, plus about 4 others heheheh. As for the rest of you, trust me, there are *plenty* of alternatives out there, for EVERY class. Seek and you shall find! 
