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Post by Percival on Mar 14, 2004 8:33:08 GMT
The forming of a new group "The Black Guard" has been started. The group's purpose is to expose the abuses of power the knights have been committing. We find it Ironic that the biggest offenders of the laws in West Styne are the Knights themselves.
Tonight alone, a count of the crimes against the Knights includes 2 counts of "Sparring" in town. 3 Counts of killing innocent bistanders during these brawls and 2 counts of murder to cover up the crimes they committed.
As this is martial law, The Black Guard intends to hunt down and bring the knights to justice. The Knights were a good idea and we support Law and Order, but the Bad Knights must be eliminated before its too late.
OOC: We need to get the group that opposes the knights a lasso that will send them to a cell for us.
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Post by maylstryx on Mar 14, 2004 13:04:23 GMT
I'm all for it. LETS GET READY TO RUUUUUUMBLE!!!!
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Post by Cartoonic on Mar 14, 2004 13:59:54 GMT
One word, No... that is not what i intended at all.
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Post by Radog on Mar 14, 2004 21:43:01 GMT
Two words.....
BRING IT!!!!
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Post by AvengersWraith on Mar 14, 2004 22:13:36 GMT
Sorry, but feel this is a very bad idea.
A brawl in West Styne will undoubtedly lead to someone getting banned because in another thread Makz stated West Styne is not the place for that kind of activity.
I suggest having challanges issued to be met outside of Styne. Or even better, keep a log of knights and their inappropriate actions and at the next council meeting (Cartoonic's job to play King Wend, ask him when council meetings will be held) and give specific information about the injustices.
I also suggest looking into the future, Fredian is growing in size, both in module depth and width and in player base. Makz stated he has long term goals for the CJ system, probably in the other towns and cities being discovered. There will be needs for knights in other areas as Fredian grows, I believe this is what Makz has in mind (Makz, correct me if I am reading the posts wrong), in the other areas, having an evil mob destroy and occupy a section of town or city would not be frowned upon when growth of Fredian reaches that point. Makz has not said evil mobs cannot try and take over Castille, Whillim or Ranestadt. Why is the focus on West Styne? I thought the CJ system was to keep order in West Styne. Knights showing PKers that there are consquences for killing NPCs and attacking other PCs, trying to steal from anyone and to keep chaos in West Styne down, that is what I thought we were building the foundation of the CJ system for.
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Post by Percival on Mar 15, 2004 1:52:03 GMT
First off, no one said anything about about starting open war in West Styne. Infact, it the Knights "Sparring" and "Lack-Luster" law enfourcement that the group is opposing. Lets just say it may become unsafe for the knights who violate the laws of the land to travel very far from Styne.
Who said anything about an evil mob? Every hear of Robin Hood? Vigilante Justice in times of Martial Law is common practice for the preservation of good. The Black Guard sees itself as such an organization. A secret society of self appointed overseers. Chaotic Good would be a better description then evil, in the eyes of The Black Guard the Kinghts are a Lawful-Evil group.
Me too. Which is why it is such a disappointment to hear of the Knights violating the laws openly and even stooping to PKing to cover their crimes.
The Black Guard is the natural order of progression when an impressive regime abuse power. It should not be associated with blackguards who are evil. The name is ment to contrast the ideal of White means good. Sometimes good people have to turn to darker means to preserve the common good.
OOC: We are certainly open to working with the DMs to set some ground rules, and the point is to prevent the PKing and abuses of the Knights. The general attitude of some knights is they can do what they want because no one can say anything to them.
We fully intend to do this, the group is an RP group, not a PK group. PK will only begin if and after the council takes no action against the offending Knights.
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Post by Spathic on Mar 15, 2004 2:42:41 GMT
What lack-lustre law enforcement is there? half the people pregnant dog about them doing too much, now people pregnant dog that they aren't doing enough... something has to give here...
What exactly is the black gaurd hoping to stop? Lassoing punks who cause trouble in styne? i thought that was what they are supposed to do? Is there something going on i am not aware of? What laws are they breaking?
PS half the knights that i know of ARE DMs...
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Post by Percival on Mar 15, 2004 4:18:50 GMT
Did you not read the first part of the post ?
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Post by Percival on Mar 15, 2004 4:23:07 GMT
OH, and for the record, this is an RP thing, it is not a complaint in the way things are handled, nor is it ment to cause people to think this server has problems. It is strictly and simply a counter group to the knights.
Two of the knights are DMs as far as I know and both were great choices.
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Post by Spathic on Mar 15, 2004 4:48:48 GMT
This is all so rediculous... Ever since the CJ system went in people want to topple it and make more work for the DMs/coders. If there are knights screwing up they need to be dealt with properly not with some stupid power grab... People want all the positives of the knighthood (their own lasso to do with what they wish) with none of the responsibility... it's a sham...
The last thing the knights need are more people taking shots at them all day everyday...
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Post by MysaidesCaldier on Mar 15, 2004 13:45:59 GMT
I have to say that neither of our Dm knights deserve any bad treatment whatsoever. In fact I would say that both became Dms by first being good knights. As for the attitude of some of the other knights... well bring...it, is just the sorta attitude that is causing this thread to grow. I am so glad the knights who this "black guard" are after is ready and willing to face the angst of so many. I would just like to say to him thank you for being the center of all our hostile ic feelings....It is amazing to me the amount of "friends" the knighthood have made from one really overconfident bad apple:)
I would like to say however I am not for the disbandment of the Knighthood. I would just like to see the public execution of bad officials...ummmm like angry mob hangs corrupt Knight then pillages his estate. If you are a bit sqeamish about lynch mobs...then you can always step down and save us all alot of trouble...if not all the more fun:P
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Post by Preedy1978 on Mar 15, 2004 14:03:58 GMT
Hmm...its got the potential to be a really good idea. However, I cant see the issue being resolved without serious chaos commensing.
For the record, ICwise I am NOT against people organising resistanse to the Knights of the land. What I AM against is Styne being turned into a war zone with PvP action.
For RP, I CAN see how some characters can react badly to the Knights behaviour, and since martial law has finished, the Knights power has been restricted to Styne areas, and Castille, people who wish to react in a physical manner can do so out of the Knights juristiction. (I.e: If the want revenge against another PC for being jailed by a Knight because of their testimony etc.)
So, my pennies worth. Im not against it all, its just if it is ever to get anywhere, its gotta be done without turning the whole place into a bubbling pool of chaos.
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Post by Radog on Mar 15, 2004 21:03:52 GMT
IC warning to all who wish to start trouble with "certain" Knights. Not only do "certain" Knights have support of the other Knights, there are "organizations" out there with unknown members who you will have to deal with as well, who may or may not be affiliated with "certain" Knights. The manner that instigators will be dealt with in will be abrupt and severe.... OOC I like the idea, just dont turn W. Styne into a warzone where low levels are getting killed by spell effects and such...and just be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions....have fun!  |
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Post by addicted2rpg on Mar 15, 2004 21:15:27 GMT
You have a tool.
printscreen
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Post by Percival on Mar 15, 2004 22:16:11 GMT
Of course we are prepared to deal with the consequence of our actions. And for the 400th time, NO action would take place in West Styne unless the knight started the confrontation and there was no alternative.
As we fully intend to raise and kill until a non-remember roll or the person respawns, we have no fear of there being a reprisal because unless the knight Metagames a Tell (SHAME ON THE KNIGHT THAT DOES THAT) or breaks the server rules, there will be no way for them to remember so they can seek thier revenge.
Also as far as affiliations or guilds, all knights were specifically forbidden from belonging to any such guild so that would start a whole new situation of why the knight should be publiucly executed (which in my opinion should be a character deletion)
But all this being neither here nor there, I doubt much will come of it primarily because the vast responce so far has not been a "group to watch over the knights" as much as its been "Let kill them" which is not what this is intended to be.
The entire point was to have a anti-knights group for RP, but this has degraded into yet another reason to encourage PK.
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