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Post by MitzaVolchenko on Mar 15, 2004 22:42:49 GMT
*whistles innocently*
The Knights are not the issue...now that Wend fellow, he is a worthy opponent...
There are two groups that I know of (and will not name players involved here) that are dedicated to a) keeping the Knights involvement in the real goings on of things limited or non-existent and b) removing Wend's powerbase and control of things.
Jail us! Kill us! Martyrs fuel our cause.
"Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine."
As for killing someone until he doesn't remember, that is really pushing the PK rules. If someone wins their rez roll and pretends to not know what happened, end of PvP until they come back for more.
I also see no point inforbidding the Knights' membership in guilds..just consider their guilds ot be like their support staffs...valet, squire, pages, seneschals, etc. Now, if enough people petition the King for removal of a given Knight with proof (screenshots in the case of non-DM knights), then the King (DM controlled) will act.
In the meanwhile, just roll with things and bide your time. All things come with patience and persistance.
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Post by AvengersWraith on Mar 16, 2004 3:44:14 GMT
I'll have to double check the rules, but recently, Makz stated on another thread that DMs were not allowed to be members of guilds.
As far as other people helping knights, make comparisons; The Fraternal Order of Police Officers and Unions, they exists now, similiar things have existed in the past.
I think we just need to be patient, Makz has stated he has plans for the future of Fredian, even sick and doing side projects while having a family life, he is still adding to Fredian.
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Post by JoScMa on Mar 16, 2004 4:43:10 GMT
Fact: Makz did not make it forbidden to allow knights to be in guilds. I know as I heard him say it directly.
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Post by Spathic on Mar 16, 2004 5:04:38 GMT
I think some of this confusion may go back to when frost was viceroy for about 15 minutes... There was something said about some oficals not being allowed to be in guilds, though nothiung remotely official...
Are there any formally recognized guilds anymore anyway?
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Post by MitzaVolchenko on Mar 16, 2004 18:49:25 GMT
Most guilds seem to be private these days, likely due to those that the last guild war made gun shy.
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Post by Xiloscient on Mar 17, 2004 15:51:05 GMT
"certain" Knights. Not only do "certain" Knights have support of the other Knights, there are "organizations" out there with unknown members who you will have to deal with as well, who may or may not be affiliated with "certain" Knights. Hehehehe.. funny. "certian" kights = Aviar Maximus. IC Xilo would probably not stand with Aviar if Aviar was against anything that was a real threat. And "certian" organizations.. ((Aside from being very thin as of late)) are much more publically known then you think Aiar. OOC Does anyone else find it a bit wierd that it seems like 50% or more of the convictions made are by Aviar Maximus?? Is this new anti-knight thing directed at him only?? He is in my opinion the "only" Questionable knight... ((Xilo is a close second though but he *never* abuses his knighthood)) |
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 17, 2004 16:16:50 GMT
Hehehe, well lets just say I have seen one-- er no, two-- er no, four of the knights act.... Questionably... ;D
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Post by Cella on Mar 17, 2004 16:48:58 GMT
I actually think that Aviar does arrest more and it's quite amusing too, as it fits perfectly with his character.
"Aviar the merciless" - Keep up the good work!!
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Post by Radog on Mar 17, 2004 18:18:53 GMT
You know, I was not sure that I would keep responding to this thread, just because I don't want it to become silly....but ok, one last post: Cartoonic is on most days as far as I can tell and he plays King Wend. If there were ever a true IC need for him to come in as Wend and investigate any legitimate abuses of power by Aviar or any other Knights, I am sure he wouldnt have a problem doing so. I suspect that it hasn't happened already because there is no proof or legitimacy to these claims anyway, just people whining because they arent used to dealing with a Knight whose personality is in stark contrast with Karl and Mack, and perhaps even Xilo (depending on which Xilo, that is..  ). It seems safer to some to challenge him here in the forums then actually in the game. If we were so thin, someone would have struck by now, the truth is no one knows jack, they can only speculate  Makz said that he was looking to spice things up with Aviar being appointed and I bet most would agree that that has been the case, whether you like him or not. That and the advent of CJ has made the Knights the hottest topic around. OOC I dont care who attempts to take him out, attack him, ask the King to remove him, whatever, just keep it in the game, be prepared to deal with the consequences and have fun.... |
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Post by Xiloscient on Mar 17, 2004 21:54:49 GMT
Omg. I didn't want to respond to this thread again either but I just had to... First off. good form radog... and secondly... the truth is no one knows jack, they can only speculate  I just LOVE it when còcky people are wrong... ooo but then again.. doesn't that sound a bit còcky.. and what if I'm wrong.  |
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Post by Percival on Mar 20, 2004 18:45:24 GMT
Actually, there are several legitimate complaints. Proof is harder to say, no one thinks to take a screen shot when the are being blasted by some magic, and a screen shot would be OOC anyway.
The real problem results in there is not an IC way to do anything about the knights (two of which have at least 3 complaints for killing innocents) Telling people to leave west styne because a knight wants to duel..oh yeah isn't that one of laws the knights enfource... and then unleashing a series of spells that kill people standing about is and should be a jailable offence if not a reason to strip a knight of his rank.
All this is for not, the Knights have effectively become the "who cares" joke since West Styne went NoPVP, and nobody can do any wrong there. They have bevome little more then an annoying group that can be avoided fairly easily and thus the problem is solved.
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Post by Fayde on Mar 20, 2004 21:19:13 GMT
The "goodies" and we who are more neutral are still in West Styne roleplaying and we've had more opportunity to meet new peope/characters than ever. The only ones not hanging around now are the bad guys who can't pvp.  Last night I stopped to make a few tools to use the mine and was asked to make weapons for three different characters ranging from lvl 4-30. During that time many new people/characters came and went, interacted with me and those waiting for the weapons, and my character was even able to set up several who are now looking for certain other characters at their level to party with in the future. The closest to pvp we had was when a dm entered the scene and began attacking with dragons, many died and were raised and there was only one complaint from a guy who does not ever rolepay, he left only to return shortly to join in on the fun. He even roleplayed in the end with us and I think he will do more roleplay in the future as a result.  The difference in this scene and the old times when an evil character ran thru and pk'd all, leaving most of us going, "WTF???", was that the whole thing made some sense, everyone could join in the fun, and the dm didn't go overboard with the slaughter. Having the bad guys be a pack of dragons meant players didn't have another player to blame when they fell and the dm would pause the destruction long enough to allow all those fallen to be raised before the next attack. Later on I returned to West Styne to hit the mine again and was suddenly attacked by a drow. I wasn't prepared/buffed and was caught off guard, and there wasn't anyone else around. The drow struck my character down, wounding her badly. My summons attacked her, she fled. Point being, I didn't have to lose xp/gold in respawning, was left wondering if there was something happening, and was on my guard immediately. I left, rested, used a restore, buffed, and met up with others to warn them. Some nice roleplay came from that. Point being, some players only care about acting in a way that only they will enjoy what happens, the dm's show a lot more responsibility, getting our interests, getting us involved, putting us on our guard, without penalty or harsh feelings. ;D |
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Post by MysaidesCaldier on Mar 21, 2004 20:28:27 GMT
Radog first of all last night I was trying to rp with some newbies by the fire then you came chased me off I logged as Miria and you gave me crap. How lame was what I believe you said and my response was only cause you are ignorant. I do not mind being chased out like a common criminal cause frankly I am:) But you chased Miria into the Mayors and gave up the chase after that. Which both Donna the daring and I commented typical right before Miria went off on a mass murdering spree of npc in west styne Avair Decides to go pick his nose. Well Mr. Knight upholder of the Law the mayor's blood is good to bathe in when a "knight is outside the door" Please keep trying though someday you will be a good knight....maybe:P |
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Post by Radog on Mar 22, 2004 6:14:59 GMT
Miria is not wanted for any crimes, the Hooded Mein is, so I was not chasing her, I thought you were another character going into the Mayor's house. I am not going to follow you into every establishment you go into and see if you kill NPC's that is on you, I see you didnt do it in front of me. And why is all the discussion centered around Aviar Maximus anyway? There are three other Knights around, I guess I am the most visible, but whatever. He is still waiting for the Black Guard to come see him, he is getting impatient and might just forget the whole thing . Anyway, people he is just a character, relax and have fun..... |
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I just LOVE it when còcky people are wrong...
The difference in this scene and the old times when an evil character ran thru and pk'd all, leaving most of us going, "WTF???", was that the whole thing made some sense, everyone could join in the fun, and the dm didn't go overboard with the slaughter. 