(drow) IoF is open to all playstyles

[Epitaf]

This is just a thought that has recently been on my mind. It is said that IoF is open to all playstyles but (without mentioning names) i've seen allot of people say "you cant do this, or be that because you are a drow". This bothers me, as i have 2 drow pc's and a few close RL friends who are drow here. I dont think peoples RP and fun or playstyle should be damperd by YOUR idea of what a drow should and should not be
-Gallomen

[Epitaf]

P.S. whats up with me still being young one? >:(i've been here ages!
-Gallomen

[Makzimia]

You are absolutely right, and wrong, if you want to RP a drow, then you are restricted in what you would do, and if you are not Rping but doing something with those drow to be a nuisance, then you'll be told I am sure . If the someone speaking to you is a DM, then guess what? but, if a player finds something you are doing not to their liking, and you are doing something that you consider to be RP yourself, then you need to find a middle ground, or, walk away from it, and don't carry on into a fight over it. Best solution is discuss motives etc OOC in the middle of something, rather than end up in an argument.

Thanks.

Makz.

[Zhoreb]

It is also about expectations. A drow character is probably the most stereotyped of them all. People expect certain behaviour of a dark elf.

I have had conversations and oneliners on this topic alot. In the beginning it was like....

'I do not follow Lolth.'
'bah, you're another goodie.'

'You hide your true intentions well for a drow. Aren't you supposed to.....'

But lately, after the big influx of drow characters, it almost doesn't happen to me anymore. But I can assure you, the drow society is more versatile then the black and white stereotyping makes us believe. Lolth and Ellistrae are not the only active (Forgotten Realms) drow deities.

And young one....Only posting will make you 'older'

[Truth]

From both a player and now DM perspective, if you choose a subrace only for the numbers, do not expect people to play the way you want them to.
I will ICly give a drow PC a little leeway, but Hordes of the Underdark is a good thing to keep in mind regarding drow. At its very base, this is a roleplaying game. It says so on the package. Now, Fredian allows all play styles, so if you want to twink out an uber build, that is your perogative, but those that do not powerbuild are not beholden to RP with you nor are they beholden to get stuck in PVP with you. We are all here to have fun, and if having a drow that has no drowness to it whatsoever in your face isn't fun it is simple to just say walk away from me, I don't want to play with you.
Purely from DM perspective, we are not going to stop running evil drow plots. They are a storied and rich enemy for the less harsh people of the world. NPC drow activities can, will, and should have a ripple effect on PC drow, just as duergar and svirfneblin plots should cause backlash against PC's of those races. Everyone remember Kyaasord? The half-dragon and RDD population took a beating in that one, and it was fun.
I play both subbie and non-subbie characters and I don't get too upset that all the little half fiends come out of the woodworks trying to put a hit out on my obnoxiously good half celestial paladin. It is part of what comes with the subrace.
Any of you RDD's ever get to deal with Ore's (a true half-dragon) rant about fools that think a bit of ritual or accidentally awakened blood makes you true dragon kin?
*grins*
All just things to keep in mind when selecting a subrace

BTW, my personal opinion is that the drow paladin is just plain BAD.

[Silentus]

Drow:[/b]
Simply put, Drow (by AD&D definition) are exclusivly evil. This is what made the extreme exception of Drizzt appealing. Due to that, most RPers find the commonallity of good drow around distasteful. It isnt about right or wrong, its really about personal taste and an adherance to the concept.

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[Zhoreb]

Silentus said:

Drow:

[/b]
Simply put, Drow (by AD&D definition) are exclusivly evil. This is what made the extreme exception of Drizzt appealing. Due to that, most RPers find the commonallity of good drow around distasteful. It isnt about right or wrong, its really about personal taste and an adherance to the concept.
[/quote]
Yes that is true. I said there is a more diverse pantheon for Dark Elves. But all but one God (Ellistraee) are EVIL.
For example, the Fredian Duskryns have Vhaeraun as their patron. Vhaeraun is a evil deity yes. But on a different level as Lolth. Vhaeraunians are not opposed to have dealings with the surface brethren. In fact, they seek to unify the elven races again. They are also willing to have 'normal' dealings with most of the lesser races. And most important, Vhaeraun is strongly opposed to the matriarchal society of Lolth and her priestesses. Man and woman are equal (altho most of the clergy is male).

and to finish this little promotional talk, here's Vhaeraun's Dogma:

'The shadows of the Masked Lord must cast off the tyrrany of the Spider Queen and forcibly reclaim their birthright and rightful place in the Night Above. The existing drow matriarchies must be smashed, and the warring practices of twisted Lolth done away with so that the drow are welded into a unified people, not a squabbling gaggle of rival Houses, clans, and aims. Vhaeraun will lead his followers into a society where the Ilythiiri once again reign supreme over the other, lesser races, and there is equality between males and females.
Clergy of Vhaeraun must encourage, lead, or aid bands of drow and aligned chaotic evil creatures in thievery and instigate plots, intrigues, and events to continually increase drow influence and real power in the surface Realms. They must manipulate trade, creatures, and intrigues designed to lessen the power of and frustrate the plans of drow priests (particularly those who serve Lolth), and continually foment rebellion or disobedience among drow males. Drow thieves in need must be aided (even if female): healed, bailed out of jail, or forcibly rescued. Drow men oppressed or under attack by drow women must be physically aided in any circumstances. Cruelties against drow men must be avenged.'

If you want to know more, speak with Anirin, Brenith'ri or Sanu Duskryn.

[Epitaf]

Thanks Zho, I was just about to talk aboit that. There are more than one deity drow worship. there are houses that are agenst the way of the drow and there is a LARGE number the left with drizz or after him. But not that any of this matters to my PCs you all know im usually evil. Just wanted to discuss the matter. BTW truth I never said anything about 'stoping evil drow quests' i dont know where that came from. Anyhow yes about drow paliden if you want to understand the RP behind it ask him or wait untill he poasts his full story here.
-Gallomen

[addicted2rpg]

I don't care if your drow is a ballerina. Keep in mind IC perceptions of drow. Maybe ICly they just think all drow love Lolth. It is totally surmisable, even if they know OOCly otherwise.

And...

if your drow is satan, that's fine too. When I first played I had a PC that ate children and was so heartlessly and fiendishly evil it sometimes scared me OOCly. She had that wicked succubus voice set too. It never killed anyone ICly.

That reminds me of that movie "Scarface" where they chainsaw that guy but the camera never shows the chainsaw cutting the flesh, it just shows his face, you hear him scream, and then you see blood fly up on a shower curtain. But it *felt* like you saw it, even though you didn't. I mean, that is just awesome....

[Silentus]

LOL - Thanks Addicted, now every time I see a drow Im going to have a mental image of them in a pink tu-tu. Kinda takes the menace right out of them

[Xiloscient]

Silentus said:

Drow:

[/b]
Simply put, Drow (by AD&D definition) are exclusivly[/b] evil.[/quote]
Amen.
I've only one drow character. ((If you don't know who... your probably better off not knowing))
And two other chars that I have entirely planned out that will come into existance once I get situated... And all of them are horrifically evil. Some might hit little fads of Nuetralism every once and a while.. but hey.

I take the fact that Mr. Do'Urden is an extreame exception to heart. I will never make a drow that isen't evil.. in anything that I do.

And becuase everyone knows IC and OOC the previosuly stated definition of drow. You can expect people to assume certian things about you if you play a drow. If you prove them wrong or make a reputation otherwise thats all on you.

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