Can't smelt past Adamanitine

[Phoenix]

I can't seem to get past Adam. on smelting. I have smelted about 5 full loades of my inventory(with many bags) of ore and I'm not getting skill points anymore, and I can't smelt Mryk. yet. So it seems I'm stuck, I think I'm 10 points shy of being able to smelt Mryk (don't have the exact number I'm at now, but someone else told me the number I should be able to smelt the next metal). I know you can get blacksmithing points off of crafting weapons, so I tried that to go that route, but I have finished a whole metal w/o getting a single point. I also don't really want to do weapon crafting, I want the Mryk for jewel crafting.

So as it stands I have not gotten a point in blacksmithing after smelting a TON of ore, and weaponcrafting through a whole metal. Suggestions?

[Makzimia]

This issue has come up with a few players now, and basically it boils down to you not paying attention to what goes on as you are crafting successfully . Blacksmithing (includes)smelting is increased not ONLY by smelting it happens as you successfully craft things up to green in each class of weapon, to advance beyond where you are now, you must craft more, thereby gaining blacksmithing points as you go, on ie: great axe or great sword... you will find some of these are either still red or dark blue.. carry one trust me they go ALL the way.

Makz.

[Phoenix]

But I'm not a weapon crafter, well I am but only for tools, and then only to gold.

I have crafted a lot of Adam. rings and amulets, but I get no points for blacksmithing there, only weapon and armor crafting give those. I have also crafted a quite a few weapons and I'm not getting points there. I think that because I went through shadow into verdicite in weaponcrafting and got 0 blacksmithing points. My guess is you only get the secondary points if you are working on the metal you need points in to smelt. If that's the case I will have to learn weapon crafting up to Adam. just to get points in blacksmithing so I can go smelt Myrk, then go back to jewel crafting.

That makes jewel crafting a sub to weapon/armor crafting, which doesn't make sense. You should be able to mine-smelt-craft jewelry w/o ever touching weapon/armor crafting. I have been able to advance to the next metal in blacksmithing just by smelting with every other metal.

I guess I'll just finish off weapon crafting. It'll take a while and it's not where I wanted to go, but if that what I need to do to finish Jewel crafting...

Thanks for the info.

[Makzimia]

Rubbish buy the ingots that is what trade is about.

Makz.

[Phoenix]

Bah! I must be self suffecient I cannot be powerfull if I rely others!!! What is it with you (DMs) trying to make me weak! First someone suggests I get a pixie as a familiar, now you want me to rely on other!?! I can't be the master of all I survey like this!!! Pretty soon you'll want me to start HELPING people?!?!?!?

I planned on finishing weapon crafting anyways, this just changes my order, so no big deal.

This may still need to be looked at, as it could make a character permanently stuck. If someone were to buy the adam. ingots and work it till they are done they wouldn't get enough cross points in blacksmithing to go to Myrk.

Ex. I smelt my own ore for a while, but then start buying it, say from Verdicite on. So I finish weaponcrafting. Now I start smelting and hit the same wall I'm at. So my choice would be to do armor crafting until I get to adam. , then start collecting blacksmithing points, until I get the last one.

I just think that when you finish smelting Adam. you should be able to smelt Myrk. No other primary craft skill is dependant on another primary craft skill. That's why they are primary.

If it's you intent I can live with it, like I said I was doing weapon crafting anyways, it just changes the order a bit. Thanks for the info.

BTW, when I'm done I'll try to get a spreadsheet of Jewel crafting to you like someone else did for Bowery. Not that I think it needs updating like bowery, but I can see how it's helpfull to you.

[Silentus]

Nope, you will keep getting the blacksmithing points even if you no longer learning anything in weaponcrafting or armorcrafting. Suck it up or trade more

As far as primarys dependant on other primaries, wrong there. Try armor crafting (as Im just starting to find out). Wether that is the way it SHOULD be is an opinion thing. Frankly I think they should cross more - in RL most industries rely heavily on others to excel. Again, just my opinion.



" Driven to violence by my love of peace "

[MitzaVolchenko]

*grins*
Firm suggestion is that you do a bit of each related craft as you go...you think you are frustrated? Try being able to cut anything and craft nothing!
The skills are very well integrated, and even if you don't want to be an armorsmith or a weaponsmith or whatever, you still get the xp for learning it.
Besides, Mala doesn't wear the tin cans that she makes, but she has friends that need 'em! Phoenix may not use the swords and axes that he crafts, but they could be used to bribe other players into being henchmen. And what good is the ruler of all he surveys without some good toadies?

[Phoenix]

*inhales deeply* If anyone needs me ((like I'd help)) I'll be at the anvil for a while... in West Styne. Seeing how I got a guard to protect me now and all. ;D

edit: Hmmm good point about the lesser folks like fighers, rogues, paladins, rangers, druids, et cetera ad nauseam ad infinitum...

[Phoenix]

Thanks for the infom after some time I finally got the last few points in backsmithing. It took making higher end adamantine weapons (not dagger and short swords, more like exotics) to get those points, though. I think one of a couple of things should change to make this fall in line with everything else.

Either jewel crafting should give you blacksmithing points like other metal working trades, weapon and armor crafting. That would allow a jewel crafter to get these last few points w/o becoming a weapon or armor crafter. It doesn't make sense that your learn metal working skills with two of three skills requireing metal

Or the limit be changed so you can learn how to smelt the next metal by finishing the current one. This is true for all metals, except Myrk.

[AvengersWraith]

And it only took 8 days and nights ;D

Have you tried tanning yet muhahahaha, oops, I play good charters, forget the evil laugh

[Phoenix]

Yeah, well I had a head start, I was already close to rubicite...

No, I have not tried tanning yet, I heard though...

[Makzimia]

And no I am not changing the way mryk is reached, it is deliberately the hardest to get to. Also I am not adding any changes to make metals worked by other crafts.

Makz.