Criminal justice v.2?

[Hanah]

I would have to toss in my two cents here and agree that who really cares what a player does while their character is incarcerated, the *player* is not being punished. Besides, IMO that's getting a little too persnickety, and it adds more code that can possibly conflict with other things...

One thing that I brought up in my last post to this thread was 'what does murder really mean'.... yes this has to be RP'd but I was kinda hoping we could discuss it here too:-) Hanah's perspective ic is that it's kind of a brutal physical assault... any other views on that? I think it was Bart who made a comment on the server to the effect that 'murder was like getting a speeding violation' and I think that's a good observation.

Hanah

[AvengersWraith]

If the IC punishments were more realistic to the crimes I would not have a problem with the player doing something else, like making a new character while the murderer is doing 20 to life in jail.

[Phoenix]

This isn't a HCR server. If you want reality let me ask you this, do you respawn? If I murdered you would you start a new character?

Maybe the time does fit the crime, can you really ever murdered anyone here *clicks respawn*? And theft? Please, who isn't a millionare, so in proportion, thats like stealing pennies. Sure you will get caught, but you wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist...

[ride]

well here's some more of my spare change:

Um. maybe we all need to reflect on the fact that this is a VIDEO GAME and we are supposed to have FUN, why are we trying to make so much like the real world?

[Hanah]

*sneaks up and tickles ride relentlessly*


Hanah
... she's worked wonders with tickling

[Silentus]

Video game? VIDEO GAME?! This is my life man! ...oh wait... I have to go get rid of my wife and kids quick ((afk))


LOL

[AvengersWraith]

IC and OOC, fantasy world, reality, whatever - we can keep things status quo for now since there is no agreement.

2 nights ago I saw someone slaughter a chicken for no apparent reason (he was in a conversation) and he tried to put me off when I told him the chicken belonged to Styne Citizens. I metagamed a little and saw his rating compared to me was impossible, than I did what I do to people who kill chickens and don't replace the meat by donating some to the soup kitchen, I hit him to show him I was serious. NWN actually got the impossible rating for him against me correct, his reflex action alone killed me, after he raised me he didn't know why he killed me it was so fast. I told him why I attacked him, he said he would replace the meat later, I then left it alone (I rolled an 11 and remembered how and why I got killed and since he chose to res me I assumed he would keep his word about replacing the meat).

Maybe the justice system needs to start in Castille and slowly work it's way outwards from there as King Merrick (hope I spelled that right) expands his kingdom by request from local townships. And then one day there will be NWN 6.57 with ridable mounts and gaurds will patrol the roads looking for bandits and brigands and my wings will allow me to fly over trees, then a bioware bug will cause the system to crash for three hours.

[ride]

that wasn't fair hanah
I know when I am beat.... and I personly have a -10 against tickle attacks so I'm screwed......

don't listen to this wandering elf....

I just want us all to have fun, I do not want to make this island a "mirror" of real life tho, real life sucks, let's not try to emulate it completely..... isn't that why we all play in this virtual world?

[Hanah]

<in char>
*remorseful look* Oh Erith dear, I'm so sorry... I just wanted to... you know, you seemed so glum, so I wanted to cheer you up a little.... *sniffle* I'm so sorry! I won't do it again, I promise, alright? Just don't be mad, please?
</in char>

All sillyness aside, I would agree with you that some abstraction of reality is a beautiful thing, ride. I *definitely* do not want to see full-blown HCR on Fredian, but I would like to see realism in how people interact.

So if this is a game and we want to have fun, what customs/behaviours could we as community members consider adopting? This would be a very low-tech change, no code, no conflicts with existing scripts. Hmmm maybe I ought to act first: ''Do Fredians want to see realism in char-char interactions increase?" If the answer is yes, then how can we pursue that end? I agree that having mandatory bowel movements and standard issue bedrolls won't necessarily make things more fun, so, what will?

Hanah
... took the ''Devestating Tickle" feat when she went epic

[AvengersWraith]

If you play an evil character and kill another person, NPC or Player's Character, what do you think would be a realistic fantasy punishment IF YOU GET CAUGHT. Obviously your goal should be not to get caught unless your character is a little unbalanced like some of the serial killers; Jack the Ripper, Hannibel Lecter and the others? Or do you think it would be funner if you committed a crime and noone paid any attention to what you did?

[MitzaVolchenko]

Okay, I've read it all...and I liked some ideas and not others.

My one idsagreement is that I see losing an item as a character punishment, not a player punishment.

Assassin X gets spotted and apprehended after stiking his blade +50 into the back of a Knight while he lays passed out at an Inn table after a long day of upholding the law. Taking Assassin X's blade away is NOT a player punishment. You don't hand the assassin his knife back after his player has gotten his snack and had a cigarette while he sat in jail. The item goes into the royal evidence locker and is gone for good...looks like Assassin X needs to spend more time replacing equipment and less time knifing the Knights.

If I were say a level 39 wearing that ungodly armor that Karl wears, I'd be worried about losing it and my character would be just as cautious to not get caught...

The has the option of respawning with penalty to prevent the loss of equipment.

Now, if player prefers to get a snack while his character sits in jail, that is fine, but it is that player's choice to avoid the RP. Those that I find tend to do this, I avoid RP'ing with unless circumstances dictate it ICly.

By and large, I think that most people are mature enough to accept that things like death and item loss and boring jail time are IC.

[kline]

How about this point just to think on. If you are not rich than you go to jail. A stiff fine should be payed for breaking the laws.(Gold) if you have enough to pay for who you killed. Remember this is a medevil times times where people where punished with public beheadings, but only if you are poor. If you are rich you could always buy your way out of anything (OJ think about it I mean really the glove doesnt fit)
I say the bum I mean come on in medevil times you kill a bum and get him from craping behind your house everyday. And eating your garbage and spreading dease, the town should pay you 5 gold and send you a thank you letter. Paladins! do not take kindly to bums look in history people.
Ok for killing others though the punishment should fit the crime. You kill John Smith than the fine will not be that high. You kill Mack the fine will be alot stiffer he is a knight and it will be a lot harder to buy off a King for one of his Top Knights. Just food for thought.

Signed Getty the Gnome

Oh yah almost forgot. ;D
Remember evil will always win because good is dumb.

[AvengersWraith]

I can buy (pun intended) the corrupt judicial system, hell, you could even script some NPC mouth pieces (midevil lawyers) who dictate how much it costs to keep you alive after getting caught doing the crime.

As for poor Dertro, I think he became a little "not quite all there" out of an act of bravery (in my storyline), so if you get caught by someone killing him, don't expect someone to think you did the world a favor and expect some kind of blow back for the action, especially with a loose judicial system in play.

And I believe you are thinking of knights, not paladins, when it comes to disgust for beggers; a true paladin following an oath to a lawful good diety would be obligated to help poor Dertro, a paladin's Code of Honor includes protecting people like Dertro, a knight's code doesn't depending on who his allegiance is to.

[Shwabba]

Just to shine the loving light of clarity on a few things, here is the Code of Chivalry (a.k.a. the knight's code) as stated by AD&D...
A Knight;
1. must cheerfully perform any noble service or quest asked of him.
2. must defend, to the death, any person or item placed in his charge.
3. must show courage and enterprise when obeying his rulers.
4. must show respect for all peers and equals.
5. must honor all those above his station (his social class).
6. must *demand* respect and obedience from those below his station.
7. must scorn those who are lowly and ignoble (he will not help the ill-mannered, the coarse, the crude).
8. he will not use equipment which is badly-made or inferior.
9. he must perform military service to his lord whenever asked.
10. must show courtesy to all ladies.
11. must regard war as the flowering of chivalry, and a noble enterprise.
12. must regard battle as the test of manhood and combat as glory.
13. must achieve personal glory in battle.
14. must slay all those who oppose his cause.
15. must choose death before dishonor.

This is straight out of 2nd edition's "The Complete Fighter's Handbook" though my fellow historians will recognize it as a fairly accurate version of the historical Code of Chivalry. This may or may not apply to Fredian, that's for Makz to decide. I just thought that since the Code was brought up, it should be listed

Your Informative Neighborhood Shwabbaman

[Silentus]

This has started to get off topic. I am locking it for now and will shortly be releasing a new thread with a synapses of the valid points covered here involving a Criminal Justice system. If you wish to bring up some topic covered here that was off topic, please copy and paste it into a new thread.

Thanks!