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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 14, 2004 21:59:59 GMT
Ok..I'm gonna chip in here with my opinion: (Woopee i hear you all cry!!)
1) b (of course including the victim as well)
2) a My reason? simple. A Knight of Castille is supposedly under the direct control of King Wend himself...therefore is King Wend's juristiction limited to just a few areas? If you met King Wend in the wilderness somewhere and he ordered you to stand down and put your weapons away as your King...would you obey or tell him to get stuffed?
3)- a Any other answer is pointless in my view....If a Knight is chasing someone, he's NOT going to say "Oh my goodness, Ive reached an area transition!!" Sorry...I feel that if a Knight is chasing someone, then he should give up when he feels it is time to, not when a sudden an mysteriously invisible (It wouldnt be an area transition IRL would it?) area change comes into affect.
This also answers question 2, if the knights can chase them down, then they need the juristiction to arrest them anywhere as well. (Obviously, with the new evil town thingy coming up, Evil will have a haven...unless the perp. isnt evil...hmmm...)
A Knight of Castille I thought curtrently had all the powers vested in him by King Wend.....would King Wend limit the Knights so that they cannot hunt down known perps? Hmm....I dont think so....
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Post by Shwabba on Feb 15, 2004 20:17:14 GMT
*sigh* Why do I even bother? You guys do whatever makes you happiest. I quit.
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Post by Spathic on Feb 16, 2004 2:51:00 GMT
excuse us for having opinions and wishing to express/elaboprate on them... god forbid...
Majority vote will prevail regardless to what you, me or preeds like... you want to limit the area in which knights can opperate get your like minded friends together and form a voting block....
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 16, 2004 3:33:26 GMT
Well this a jurisdiction discussion implying limits, as Silentus noted in another thread maybe the questions are not worded quite right in regards to a chase. I don't think the point is to step one area out an go "nah-nah-nah" with your tongue out, but 'everywhere' sounds a little broad. Especially if these wands that capture people are in use, I wouldn't want those used in the wild, seems unfair in PvP.
Ranestadt, for example is not controlled by Styne, so an apprehention in that land had maybe better go through proper channels. IE your king talk to theirs, or your king orders you. Maybe other areas will be like this, Whillem, the desert, wherever the kings reach doesn't quit extend.
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Post by Spathic on Feb 16, 2004 3:52:02 GMT
i think one can assume since our jail is In ranestadt that there is an agreement there... also there is really no one there to stand against the kings will anyway... two gnomes both with strong vested interests in styne based visitors are unlikely to put up much fuss about Knights of Castille throwing down on some fools...
PS wand of capture?
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Post by Zhoreb on Feb 16, 2004 12:04:37 GMT
1) b
2) b, c, d, m
3) b, c, d, m
I like the idea of bounty hunters.
And for crimes no limitation applies IMO. The criminal can escape outside the jurisdiction of the knights, but sooner or later he/she will return.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 16, 2004 16:38:15 GMT
Ouch...i touch a nerve or something here?
I merely wished to state that a Knight would surely not stop chasing a criminal if he was only a few metres away just because he reached a new area! Sheesh!
Also...I'm NOT against limiting Knights juristiction, or the Kings for that matter (They go hand in hand really, the Kings arm is the Kngihts arm also) I was stating that the King is the king of FREDIAN...not just Castille, Styne Whillem etc...
I agree that the Knights shouldnt be all powerful and have unlimited juristiction...but you give loopholes out, and people will exploit those loopholes so the Knights, or any other law enforcers for that matter, become redundant. This all needs careful consideration.
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Post by Makzimia on Feb 16, 2004 16:44:44 GMT
I didn't know we decided here to make the knights policemen? they are only doing what they are for the sake of martial law along with the goons I put in place  I really wanted the knights to be mostly a RP thing FYI. Think sherrif. Makz. |
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 16, 2004 16:52:12 GMT
Indeed, well put Makz. I was merely referring to the new CJ system however, and what would happen if the Knights were used as well to enforce this.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 17, 2004 0:41:55 GMT
Indeed, well put Makz. I was merely referring to the new CJ system however, and what would happen if the Knights were used as well to enforce this. I always though this was assumed , who else would fill this role? |
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Post by Zhoreb on Feb 17, 2004 9:06:38 GMT
Speaking as a deep Gnome, their top priest and their highest level adventure(what favor).??  Hehehe, you really think Ranestadt would elect Getty as their spokesman? I think they would have insurmountable problems with you, when it comes to your personal viewpoints in relation to theirs  |
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Post by AvengersWraith on Feb 17, 2004 9:33:24 GMT
I didn't know we decided here to make the knights policemen? they are only doing what they are for the sake of martial law along with the goons I put in place I really wanted the knights to be mostly a RP thing FYI. Think sherrif. Makz. Silentus, looks like we will need at least one more topic, "Who's going to enforce the laws?" I also assumed it would be knights appointed by King Wend, and that could include 3 or more players taking on the role of a specific knight, just played on different nights/days so that A: Mack and Karl don't get burned out and B: better chance of having knight's on duty every night. Are we heading for an automated system, unlikely from Makz's posts, looks like we will be electing an official to run the Criminal Justice System for Styne, which could be very fun as long as we do not follow in France's footsteps. |
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Post by Spathic on Feb 17, 2004 12:35:46 GMT
actually wasn't that part of the first disscusion? who will act as law enforcement... who would preside over trials... i believe it was all there... if we want to change it ok, but it was voted on i believe....
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Post by Makzimia on Feb 17, 2004 14:44:13 GMT
Way back when we were a larger population and I held a vote that elected Frost, it was meant to be a step towards making a player system, then and now, I can see there would be difficulty even if a consensus is reached. Part of the upcoming jail system is a detention wand that will send a PC to jail of two sorts, one for IC crimes, other for OOC/rule breaking crimes. This wand would be carried by the law enforcement and whether that is a knight or a sherrif/militia guard they will on a database entry, as will the perp once arrested.
As has been pointed out well under a CJ system with Merrick being the High King, the law covers anywhere other than non soveriegn states, ie: Ranestadt. A law enforcer would chase a perp to the bitter end, including keeping note I am sure who they are and *IF* they recognise them, arrest them on sight later even.
What any of this boils down to though is your abilities to RP and stay focused as your PC on what the situation is and not wander off OOC Player based. That seems to me the biggest problem I see with decision on jurisdiction, those who will say, "hey but you aren't the law here".
Martial law is limited to the immediate Styne areas, this was done simply because the insurrection surrounding Frost called for it. They would still chase a perp if they saw where they went, and remember a transition is not a physical boundry really, if Mack or Karl were only 100 feet behind a perp who say ran into the lower forest, all conditions being equal, ie: true seeing activated if the perp was invisible even normally, they would still give chase. However, if the perp performed something in the way of a crime outside of the immediate Styne areas, then they would not be involved with it, unless it effected them directly ie: friend of knight approaches and says, so and so did such and such, I would think a normal reaction of said friend/knight/guard would be to respond.
Sorry for the long post, I was not going to get much involved in this until right near the end, but I can see my input at the very least is needed on this.
Makz.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 17, 2004 16:03:52 GMT
Hehehe, you really think Ranestadt would elect Getty as their spokesman? I think they would have insurmountable problems with you, when it comes to your personal viewpoints in relation to theirs Perhaps, perhaps not. That could be a whole 'nother discussion (bribe officials, rig election, election? hah what elections?), but I don't see any other deep-gnome players around. So Makz, if you didn't think the knights would be the law enforcers who did you envision this role going to? |
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I really wanted the knights to be mostly a RP thing FYI. Think sherrif.
