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Post by Spathic on Feb 9, 2004 16:17:21 GMT
half celestial don't have prot from evil 3 times a day...
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Post by Adyanna79 on Feb 9, 2004 16:24:48 GMT
maybe not here... but pnp...
monster manual page 213...
Do you think I made it up...I check these thing...
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Post by Spathic on Feb 9, 2004 17:09:02 GMT
sadly this is not PnP we have to go with what actually appears in this game world...
but i would say half-celestials should not be bleedable...
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Post by Adyanna79 on Feb 9, 2004 17:21:56 GMT
Yes my point is... if you are a half-celestial and a pc vamp comes up to you... you shoudl say I am portected against eveil(and be totally in RP)
see that is the beauty of nwn use a bit of immagination...
But no this girl wanted to be a vampire... even though it made no sense...
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Post by wingstriker on Feb 9, 2004 18:07:52 GMT
Klime I really enjoy how you and Phoenix are trying to make some believable evil characters on the server besides just going around killing everyone. Anyway I truly believe how different monsters or characters are played MUST be left up to the person that is playing it. Just like RPing, there is no real right or wrong way but the style of how that person sees it. ( there are so many people out there saying " you don’t know how to RP " or "you suck at RPing" "no no you are playing it all wrong" who are they to say such things to others. There are so many different vampire stories out in the world and the fantasy world that there cant be just one right way. Same can be said for Paladins. The challenge comes from being the other person there and working with that character or story line even if you don’t agree with how that person is doing it. (btw some of this isn’t directed at you just general thought)  |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 9, 2004 19:51:45 GMT
OK I think people are being a little too RP proper here. Sure things could have gone better, but it's more important to understand why they didn't than complain about what did happen.
We all know it's (vampires) not coded into the game so some things cannot be played out, that's the mechanics of the game, we should try to work around those things. Things like the heal potions is just plain being picky, remember there are no mechanics built in to help a vampire either, no regen, charm, etc, so don't slam them for using things like heal. There are other things which could be RPed like the sunlight, we have a day and night in Fredian, use them.
I'm sorry about the stake driving head chopping incident. But let me tell my PoV. I entered West Styne (buffed as usual, but also invisible, I don't always walk around invis. but given the current slaughter of townsfolk I though it needed) see Genesis dead on the ground, and hear something about binds.
I run up, rez, and says *cuts binds* or something similar. I didn't know about any other conditions, since I just got here. In all fairness I don't think you people would have let me hang around, since I was pretty much attack on sight by then. So how would I have known any different? So there has to be an OOC moment, sometimes it's needed... Basically Genesis, if he was unable to be rezed should have stayed put and explained to my why. Of course you also have to account for how I could have worked around him not being able to move. IE. Timestop, *puts corpse in bag* and runs off... I'm capable of that, heck I had 2 timestops ready when I entered town. More than enough time to stuff a body in a bad or pick it up and portal out... So unless your RP with killing him was complete it wasn't total FUBAR, it just needed further RP.
Now the big questions is, why. Why did it go south in some peoples minds? The simple answer is we are not all aware of every action in this game, and everything is real time. So if a situation like this arises, you should expect me to RP what I know, it's all -I- can do. Which sometimes is incomplete, so roll with it... I roll with a lot of things, which I'm going to post on shortly.
EDIT: shees 5 posts while I was writting this...
If 1/2 celestials were to have (not supposed to) protection from evil 3/day or constant that could have been coded. Since it's not, but there are game mechanics for 1/2 celestials we should use those. The mechanics for vampires, since there is none, are some of the problems. So I see no problem with assuming 1/2 celestials do not have prot. from evil. It's when people have quesitons on things that are not game mechanics are the biggere issues at hand.
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Post by ride on Feb 9, 2004 20:14:56 GMT
I saw this and and I think it was really lame and did not help the RP of the situation at all....
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 9, 2004 20:25:34 GMT
I saw this and and I think it was really lame and did not help the RP of the situation at all.... That why I wanted to post. I know the whole thing upset people and I want to explain my PoV, and make changes where needed. Why was it lame? Why did it not help? Why, from my PoV was I wrong? Please don't just say it's lame and move on, that's not helping anyone understand what happened, or why it went south. I have seen others pick up bodies and run (raising the person so they could run). I have seen people say *ties up* and it's done, so why isn't *cuts ties* just as good? See the thread about time stop and tieing someone up, most people though that was kosker from the poll... When you reply please consider I DIDN'T have the benefit of knowing the entire role play. But when I get attacked on sight (happening too much for it all to be roleplayed out) I can't just sit in town and figure out things... I thought I played out what my character knew what happening. I saw a dead friend bound, I raised and freed... edit: oh and FYI, there wasn't any 'tells' from cartoonic asking for help, in case you think the timing of my arrival was cute... |
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Post by Spathic on Feb 9, 2004 20:38:15 GMT
I'm a big fan of pheonix but gotta come in on the other side here... you are supposed to give way to RP in progress especially considering that this was basically over... if you had been there watching the events and stepped in that would be fine but strolling by and interupting an RP in progress is a no-no according to the rules...
though maybe my adherance to this rule is why i never seem to get involved in these situations, good bad or indifferent...
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Post by ride on Feb 9, 2004 21:07:38 GMT
When you reply please consider I DIDN'T have the benefit of knowing the entire role play. But when I get attacked on sight (happening too much for it all to be roleplayed out) I can't just sit in town and figure out things... I thought I played out what my character knew what happening. I saw a dead friend bound, I raised and freed... **this is all IMO** read your first sentence there again..... exactly I to just wandered up on this RP going on (knew a little bit of what was going on) Erith was actually walking around looking for the Vamps. I saw this and proceeded to stand back and watch what was going on, if I felt that if I needed to get in on it I would have, but I saw no need. now you phoenix, come wandering in and jumped right into the middle of it, thwarting what all these other ppl had been working on for quite a few minutes of RP'n. Freind or no, usually you see what's going on before you just run in unless of corse, you are asked or just think that you are always right..... and you ever think that there is a reason your attacked on sight.... like maybe the "I am a red wizard of where ever and your not, so you must do what I say, even tho we were all sent to this island in the same way and all started the same way..." attitude? "I think people are being a little too RP proper here" who is the one who consistantly tells us to "Keep the OOC to the forums"? |
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Post by JoScMa on Feb 9, 2004 21:22:19 GMT
**this is all IMO** read your first sentence there again..... exactly I to just wandered up on this RP going on (knew a little bit of what was going on) Erith was actually walking around looking for the Vamps. I saw this and proceeded to stand back and watch what was going on, if I felt that if I needed to get in on it I would have, but I saw no need. now you phoenix, come wandering in and jumped right into the middle of it, thwarting what all these other ppl had been working on for quite a few minutes of RP'n. Freind or no, usually you see what's going on before you just run in unless of corse, you are asked or just think that you are always right..... and you ever think that there is a reason your attacked on sight.... like maybe the "I am a red wizard of where ever and your not, so you must do what I say, even tho we were all sent to this island in the same way and all started the same way..." attitude? "I think people are being a little too RP proper here" who is the one who consistantly tells us to "Keep the OOC to the forums"? I agree with Ride. I have experienced numerous occasions where someone will just literally butt into a situation without knowing the whole picture and start doing stuff and it makes me angrier when they criticize me for something they don't understand. Bottom line, get to know the situation before acting. It will prevent potential problems. |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 9, 2004 22:44:41 GMT
OK I can respect that, waiting to see whats going on first. However I didn't -just- enter that roleplay. I had been involved in the role play of Genesis and the vampires all morning (hours, not mere minutes the RP others had in killing Genesis), I didn't just walk into the whole RP. I just walked into that area and missed a few minutes of action. I hardly think it's fair to assume I knew everything, who does in any RP... So, Ride, what should I have done to make it better? I didn't feel I could sit back and watch, everyone on the server was trying to kill me... Like I said I'm trying to make this better.  It seems you just want to attack me, comments about thinking I'm always right seem more like a personal attack and are very contrary to someone posting 'what did I do wrong and how can I fix it'. I'm trying to help, incase you didn't get that already. And JoScMa, sorry but I don't buy that from you. You have walked into an area and attacked me on sight more than once. Did you know what role play was occurring each time? No. Many others do this, too. Personally I don't feel it's a problem, because how else are characters supposed to react to impromptu situations? Have you personally not walked into the middle of something and not known what was happening? How should we, as characters, react to our friends bodies on the ground? So I take que from others... Can someone explain how my actions are different than those I described? No one seemed to cry foul there, look at the poll I'm reffering to. My actions were based on accepted practices. Also, when you attack Phoenix on sight, do you expect me to hang around long enough to figure out what is being RPed? Honesly? Would your character (any character of any alignment) hang out in a hostil area with enough people to kill them? As for the ooc comments, if someone is complaining, the boards are a better forum for discussion. The -2- times I have asked people to take ooc comments to the forums it was becoming a pregnant dog fest, people were not just trying to resolve some play issue. This is not a direct conflict with people wanting to be too much into RP. Does your character rest for 8 hours a day? No, to me that's too much real life, same with eating, do your characters eat? So expecting a vampire player to not use a heal, when there are no mechanics for vampires, seems excessive. If you want a player to play by the negatives of a race, give them benefits. If there are none it's a little fly by the seat. I did also say to use night and day because there are game mechanics for that. As for my 'I'm a red wizard comment' those are all IC. They absolutly fit my character, alignment, backround and attitude. I do intimidate people, as my character would. Also, if you read my character's story, which is posted, you might get more insight to why I act that way... You just don't know who/what I am, I (my char) doesn't really care if you know who the Red Wizards are, you should or will in his mind... However, I try to give outs. People who have been attacked by me usually were given the chance to back down or leave, probably both. The few exceptions to this are when I have been attacked on sight in town, and unleased whatever I needed to, or in another large scale battle. Though, in the middle of fighting I did raise two people I know I dropped, who I didn't know were in the RP. If I missed someone, sorry, it was a busy scene... Maybe I'll just break for a while, apparently I'm causing too much drama.  |
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Post by ride on Feb 9, 2004 23:32:26 GMT
well here's one simple idea Phoenix: "Hey! what the hell is Genisis doing lying dead here?" and THEN when the answer is not to your PC's liking (or whatever) *sneaks in and cuts genesis's ties* I mean if you want to get completely technical on it, and only go by what we have IG, how did your PC know that Gen. was bound if he had just ran in (I mean you can't "see" the ropes.... unless of course you "heard" someone type that.. I don't remember the timing exactly) I don't know.... kind of let the others know what's to come so they can plan accordingly, it is really too easy to just try to outsmart each other with the *XXXXX* comments in game, and it's gets really old really quick. and yeah that was a little personal, sorry.  (I did read your bio... (nice writing btw) and Erith (and I personally actually) absolutly hate ppl that think they are better for such and such a reason and everyone else is inferior... (even if it is an assumption on eriths (or my lol) part, your on the "nuts list" until we find out otherwise) I may have blurred the line in my mind between player and PC there for a moment.... again sorry man you and I should OOC a bit and get to know each other better... we started off on the wrong foot I think.... then maybe we will know how to deal with each other a bit better and I can stop sighing everytime I see you come around.... get in the teamspeak with us and we can talk, I bet we are actually alot alike... *edit* nuts list? LMAO!!! |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 0:02:33 GMT
I walked into town invisible, and heard someone mention the binds, thats how I knew. I would have stayed around, and asked questions, but no one would have listened. I expect the conversation would have gone like this. "hey! what the hell is Gene-" *looks down at sword in chest* And what the heck, allow people to plan accordingly? Like which arm they want to hack off first? I was in "attack on sight" status with everyone... I'll just wait for someone to treat me that way first ("ok, cast your buffing spells I'm about to attack your friend") please... At that point several people would attack me on sight, leaving me no options in town to RP, unless I already had the upper hand, which wasn't the case. Also I'm mentioning attack on sight. That alone isn't bad, it's completely reasonable, but it has a downside. *to the good guys* Please consider that as I have to respond to attack on sight by 'acting' on sight. I see something I act, I'm being responsive to your actions. Now someone complains about that... I really find that argument weak. If you want to attack me on sight, don't expect me to sit down and have a chat with you during a RP event. It's really double sided... Ride, I'd bet your right, about us being a lot alike. I am bullheaded, but I know that, so I try hard to not make it a problem. Like now, if I wanted to be a jerk I could have just let it go... Oh and the proboards filter is funny, where did it substitute 'nuts list' I counldn't find it in my posts. Ex. it substituted B**** for pregnant dog, lmao... I'll try to get into the TS server next time I'm on. edit: d'oh I'm on your 'nuts list' *smacks head* I like the "pregnant dog fest" myself... |
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Post by ride on Feb 10, 2004 1:16:39 GMT
yeah that is funny.... you know I don't think I meant accordinly the way you think, I don't want us to walk up to each other going ((um, I'm going to try to pick your pockets now... ok? )) that would be just dumb, come on I'm not that lame. there has to be some kind of in between tho, I just hate seeing the *tied you up* *ha ha no I escaped* stuff.... |
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"There are only three sports--mountain climbing, bullfighting, and motor racing--all the rest being games." Ernest Hemingway 
It seems you just want to attack me, comments about thinking I'm always right seem more like a personal attack and are very contrary to someone posting 'what did I do wrong and how can I fix it'. I'm trying to help, incase you didn't get that already.
. It's been such a long time. Too far from Manchester UK:). Take care old friend.
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