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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 9, 2004 21:33:06 GMT
Ok, i have posted a similar topic, but this new thread is specifically for martial law, a discussion into it in more detail if you would.
Martial law basically means that if you break the law in front of a knight (or even just annoy him) then bottom line is that he is in every way entitled to kick your butt.
Pretty blunt eh? Thats how it works though. I have tried to be fair and soft to people, but i think that maybe Karl is going to be a little harsher from now on to people that start trouble in front of him. You have been warned.
Oh, and btw, i think i HAVE been too soft, you are totally right Makz.
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Post by JoScMa on Feb 10, 2004 14:55:47 GMT
Yes, I agree as well. I tried to have Mac act nice to people, but all he gets in return is insults. So that means no more Mr. Nice Knight. He's going to end up taking your weapons (returned later or not? I'll let you remain guessing on that one ;D), dragging you to jail, and be a thorn in evil's side if need be. Heck, this might encourage the evil PC's to act a little more...erm...smarter from now on  |
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Post by kline on Feb 10, 2004 15:09:50 GMT
Are you ready to see everyone be good guys then? Is this what yall want? Good people just because evil ones treat them bad do not just go oh well I am going to be meaner now? Hahhaha come on. If the good guys are meaner what do you think the bad ones are going to do be nicer, I think not. Oh yah by the way you want to steal swords I can do that to and with the highest attack bonus in the game get ready boys noone will be using weapons anymore.....I can disarm better than anyone in the game as a priest. I just do not do it because OOC that is no fun for the other guy but if that what you want I will get all my friends to get the disarm feat. Just think of all the fun that will be by the way aI am going to go ahead and start making weapons now and fill up about 3 pages with short swords get ready because I am. Just letting you know. I really dont want to be a jerk though. So I will just sit here and bite my lip.
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Post by kline on Feb 10, 2004 15:19:50 GMT
Oh yah and by the way Getty has a 10 intellegence. He is not going to act like he just gets smarter that is just not him.
Oh yah please read my post on Merrick Wend. Thanks
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 16:00:55 GMT
I agree martial law, even the just annoying the knight part. But that doesn't mean the knight would do something, that's all up to that character's motivations.
Of course I have never heard of a paladin that steals. Martial law has nothing to do with a paladin's code or honor. That truely confuses me...
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Post by Makzimia on Feb 10, 2004 16:48:50 GMT
Simple, as stated before, martial law is in effect, anyone wants to be a jerk about it, then that becomes OOC as far as I am concerned and then I get involved. If a knight beats you and you are dragged off to jail in old days you would actually have ALL of your possesions taken, never mind swords. I do not want things however going that far, but for the sake of 'player' sanity, give some consideration please to those that are playing a difficult role.
Thanks,
Makz.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 10, 2004 17:25:33 GMT
This is not about stealing weapons, or about a paladins, it is about artial law and the KNIGHTS that have to enforce it.
You dont want to be confronted by a Knight? Then rp evil smart, and dont blatantly break the law in front of them or witnesses.
I mean come on guys! I can understand that evil rp is hard, but you have to be smart about it! There is NO WAY that anyone would try to break the law IN FRONT of a law man....i mean seriously, in RL would anyone really be that stupid unless they were a complete looney? Lets all use our heads here and stop all this needless aggrovation.
Let me give you an example of an evil plot i tried the other day: (slightly off topic, but just an example of how i rp evil)
Zachaz (me) and Silvia (cartoonic) attempted to trick frost from leaving a house he was occupying with Hanah. We went into the rp with the intention of tricking him into leaving the house for a place far away, by telling him that someone wanted to meet with him in a remote location. The reason for this? We had been promised a sum of money for um...an act of a devious nature shall we say. Unfortunatly we had to rush the plan as Cartoonic didnt have long before he had to logg.
The plan went fairly well, despite it being rushed through, and if cartoonic hadnt have had to logg off, it might have worked. HOWEVER, i had a LOT of fun doing this, and caused a lot of mischeif IC as well...darn i nearly fell off my chair when i saw Frost later on in a huff. :-)
So....PLAN out your evil actions...dont just rush in and commit a murder in plain view....not really very good rp either in my view...unless your char. is a complete head case and has 3 INT.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 17:40:13 GMT
Well yeah rushing into town and comitting murder in front of a law person if foolish, martial law or not. But I only see that type of action from a few people...
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Post by Shwabba on Feb 10, 2004 17:48:35 GMT
Just thought I'd chime in on the "weapon-stealing" issue. If a knight disarms you and takes your weapons, it's not stealing. It's called "confiscating." Your Semantically-Correct Neighborhood Shwabbaman |
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 17:59:04 GMT
Regardless of the semantics, I don't want to see griefing. I lost enough staffs the last 2 weeks I stopped using them, they cost ~220,000 gold each. So now I'm using crafted weapons, and I have replaced 10 weapons in 18 hours (saturday night to sunday)between 3 players due to disarms. Now the threat of more seems excessive. Me and my friends are now carrying about a dozen swords just because they will get 'confiscated'. Heaven forbid we try to craft weapons of renown and lose those that many times... =/ Your 'confiscated' weapon replacing craftsman Phoenix. |
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Post by JoScMa on Feb 10, 2004 17:59:42 GMT
Kline, you have nothing to worry about if you don't give Mac a reason to nail you. As for the weapons, guess what? You never asked for them back. You asked for them back OOC, but that's OOC. If you want them back, come ask me IC just like Sir Damien did after the fight in the Swamp was over few days ago.
And no, I don't want everyone go be good guys. I never stated anything of the sort. You think Mac will stay all friendly and nice to people who constantly insult him? I just said that Mac will act tougher IC than what he normally would.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 18:04:26 GMT
If you had IC motivation to take them, why would you return them. Heck why would he ask? I see no IC reason that would be resolved unless you were otherwise friends.
Seems better resolved ooc, if you just wanted to remove the weapon for the fight. Or just leave it on the ground for them to pick up, that takes longer than getting another one out. But don't expect an IC respons of "can I get it back?"
edit: oh and it's also not quite fair when one person's PC is so much faster than the others and they can disarm/ pick up the weapon before the person on the slower machine even sees the disarm. I saw this happen once to me, and my PC isn't that slow. AMD 1700+ 768 ram and an ATI 9800. That's almost exploiting a bug, same when you transition area and the person chasing you is now 'magically waiting for you' in the new area...
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Post by kline on Feb 10, 2004 19:08:16 GMT
Ok one more thing where are we suppose to go as evil people? Where is our safe haven? Where does your martail law stop? Is it endless?
There is no evil town here, there is no Mexico. I just can not runn across a border. I have to go into styne to get certain things, and to get to certain places. What am I suppose to do?
Maybe your not reading what I am typing. I think people are reading what they what to think I am writing.
Getty does not plain or plot any thing he is just not that smart. Oh yah Getty has never attacked first, anouther thing Getty has never attacted someone in town unless attacked first. The only times Getty ever does stuff in town is when the DM is with me period. I have a certain way that Getty is played. I believe that people are thinking my guy does allot more than what I really do in real life. My guy does not play the sneaky role or the underhanded role. If you want to find out more about Getty I suggest you get to know him instead of attacking me on sight with no Role Playing even after I am dead.
Makz if you ever watch me in play you will see I follow the rules you have set in place to a tee. I dont break rules. The night you PMed everyone and told everyone that if something like that happened in town again that there would be a multi CD bann. I stopped all my attacking in town and even try to keep others from fighting in town, even though I am evil. I was not in town for that attack but I got the info on what happened a lot of spells and PKing, with no roleplay.
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Post by Silentus on Feb 10, 2004 19:23:03 GMT
Jurisdiction is something we are going to discuss in the CJ forum, but under the current martail law, I believe it is as simply stated that "If a knight sees it, youre busted" Anything else is up to the knight I would expect, martial law doesnt pretend to be a fair system of enforcement - just quick and dirty.
BTW, I only anticipate about another week or so of CJ discussion before we should have a proposal.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 10, 2004 19:23:40 GMT
Well Phoenix does the same, I rarely inflict damage (sometimes I do cast non-damaging offensive spells) in town unless attacked first or I'm with the DM.
However, there is a lot of gossip around town regarding Phoenix and Getty, that would explain a lot...
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