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Post by Silentus on Feb 14, 2004 0:21:00 GMT
Have I heard anyone talk like that? No Do I hang out with alot of ne'r do wells? No Do good people talk about wiping out evil? Yes Does is stand to reason that Evil might say something similar? I think so Why not, from a social/economical perspective good versus evil prettey much identical capitalism versus socialism. 1. Good/Socialism want to get along for the betterment of all 2. Evil/Capitalism want to snag as much for themselves as they can reguardless of the cost to others. I see no reason why evil might not want a social/economic coup so as to allow society to not have a wholehearted and violent reaction to thier prefered way of life. To that ends, there are always strength in numbers and you need bodies to start a revolution... (BTW, I am a US citizen and am reletivly Capitalistic. As always, I use extreames in my examples as it is easier to see the point - I dont think the US is evil as such, but neither are we completely capitalistic  ) |
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Post by Spathic on Feb 14, 2004 1:48:13 GMT
But the capitalists feel they are right...
There may be groups who think themselves evil (death cults and silly goth kids) but i doubt you can recall a non-comic book villian who doesn't feel that his interests are just... You certainly won't hear them say "hey you're evil too right? lets go get those good guys!" ((which is nearly verbatim the conversation i heard))
I just feel that alliances should be based on common ideology, theology or goals... there should be something tangible there and not simply a matter of alignment (which i despise to begin with)
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Post by kline on Feb 14, 2004 2:12:46 GMT
This really is not the place for this but. Would evil say stuff like "hey lets go kill all those do gooders, or are you evil." YES oh coarse they would the same as a good person would ask anouther are you good, can I trust you. What is wrong with evil people talking like that. I believe you think there is only one defintion of evil the sneaky underhanded villin type but there is oh so much more to bad guys.
And if you want to think in terms of comic books think about Dr. Evil or Dr. Doom. They are truely evil. Lord Soth Lawful Evil. Halister CN crazy as they come.
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Post by Spathic on Feb 14, 2004 4:07:05 GMT
If i walk up to my boss and asked him if he was good he'd prolly look at me like i'm retarded... no one really says that kind of stuff... You use a little tact and figure out what a persons motivations are and then decide how yo use them or if you want to associate with them or whatever...
Maybe i'm wanting things to RP a little more like real life, than most...
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Post by Shwabba on Feb 14, 2004 5:06:06 GMT
And if you want to think in terms of comic books think about Dr. Evil or Dr. Doom. They are truely evil. Lord Soth Lawful Evil. Halister CN crazy as they come. True, but the point here is that Doctor Doom believes he is good, not evil. In fact, he feels that Reed Richards is the epitome of evil. Halaster would never come out and say "I'm evil. Evil is what I do. Call me Evil Ed." In his warped, thoroughly insane mind, there is a perfectly good purpose for everything he does. He wouldn't call himself evil or good, because, quite frankly, he doesn't care about such silly notions. Lord Soth? Well, he's the Goddess of Evil's right hand man, so he can't really talk himself out of the whole evil thing, BUT, he USED to be a paladin, and is still in full possession of his cognizance, so he tortures himself with his existence which his beliefs label as purely evil. Dr. Evil? Are you kidding? He's a SPOOF of what an evil character is supposed to be. HINT: If Dr. Evil does something it's probably NOT something a true evil character would do. Finally, to break it down to the simplest level humanly possible, the Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook states that "asking someone what their alignment is, is SO rude that anything we could compare it to, we couldn't actually print." Let your imagination chew on that one for a while hehehe. Your Perverted Neighborhood Shwabbaman |
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Post by kline on Feb 14, 2004 13:54:31 GMT
True true Ok I go for that. But it is all a RP thing. If your charater does not believe that he is evil and he robbs steals and kills people to get ahead in life. Then he is most likly a little crazy, dont you think. Know if he does these things and knows they are evil, because they are. Would this person not know they are evil.
When you turn your head and see that the only ones following you are blackgaurds, goblins, and orcs, would you not relize that you are on the evil side. Would lord Soth not know what side he is on. Of coarse he would. Now does he think his cause is good. Yes for him it is. Evil but still good in his mind. He knows he is Evil and so does everyone that follows him or doesnt follow him. He cares not if you call him evil. He would laugh at this and tell the other person"Evil yes of course" right after he killed you with his fireball. Hehhehe
And I am sorry about the Dr. Evil thing he does suck. But just tring to make a point. Dr. Evil I mean it is in his name. Oh sorry and one more thing. In a book I have read writtin by Ed Greenwood, creater of Elminster and Halister. Halister and Elminter meet and talk on the topic of good and evil in the realm where in the conversation Elminster is admiting he is the good guy and Halister is openly stating that he is the evil. They tell each other that neather of them should ever fight each other because, both are needed in the realms both the good and evil. With out one or the other the realms would be thrown off balance. Halister and Elminster both agree on the subject and Elmister rides off on his huge Beholder and the meeting is over. I will write the name of the book later on this post when I find the book "starts pulling out all his D&D books scratches his head and diggs into the huge pile."
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Post by MitzaVolchenko on Feb 15, 2004 1:13:18 GMT
Well, my two cents is that if evil wants to take over the desert, let 'em try. It is much easier to hunt evil down and destroy it when it is using public secret hand shakes and standing in a nice confined target zone BTW, Mala will not cease going to the desert crafthall until the person that appears to be exploiting the chest break bug stops so that she can get her stuff out of the desert chests. |
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Post by Spathic on Feb 15, 2004 2:08:16 GMT
BTW, Mala will not cease going to the desert crafthall until the person that appears to be exploiting the chest break bug stops so that she can get her stuff out of the desert chests. no kidding... the assclown doing this needs a CD-Ban in a MAJOR way... |
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Post by MitzaVolchenko on Feb 15, 2004 15:01:17 GMT
By way of being kinder and gentler on the chest thing, it is a persistent bug that Bioware admits to, but it is one that can be deliberately triggered.
In other words, this grumble only means anything if someone is deliberately exploiting the bug. If you spot someone that always has chest access even when they are 'broken' you know who is doing it.
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Post by Silentus on Feb 15, 2004 17:41:51 GMT
Point taken Spathic, I agree with you in that light that the conversation they had is bad RP. I think that a similar conversation with different terms would be acceptable though. Perhaps a little more tact should have been used by the parties involved.
As far as the chest bug, what are they doing that triggers it and what do they gain? If I see someone doing suspect behavior like that I dont mind getting in thier face about it a little. Also I would like to know as if it can hapen by accident I dont want to do it myself (although I never have yet, so I doubt it would happen to me now).
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Post by Spathic on Feb 15, 2004 22:50:19 GMT
personally i think someone does it just to piss people off... I know one way to stick a chest (and it is a common thing i always in the OCs (without the chests sticking)) so whenever i am at a chest i am SUPER careful not to do that...
Back On topic...
That was basically what i was saying, that one should really try to frame their actions with a lot more depth than black and white good VS Evil... Even a flimsy covering for thier want to be bad guys, thing would be cool...
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 16, 2004 3:22:31 GMT
On the chests I don't think people are breaking them on purpose it just happens sometimes. At least I have never seen a person try to stick them. I know I broke one last night...
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Post by Spathic on Feb 16, 2004 3:41:53 GMT
but the chests reset on server update and they are broken very soon after... and it's not just this one and that one, it's nearly all of them... it's too numerous and widespread in the last few days to be mere happenstance IMO...
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Post by Preedy1978 on Feb 16, 2004 16:29:53 GMT
I know...for instance...the chests in the Styne smithy are broken nearly ALL the time...surely thats not all due to people lagging out whilst in them is it?
Seems IMO that somebody is being very naughty, and i know that if i catch someone doing that, they're gonna be taking a dirt nap.
Anyways, about this evil hideout/area idea. I like it, but if an area is going to be chosen, please dont make it an area that cuts off access to other areas as well...i mean, if a place is chosen and it has area transitions for further areas, i really wouldnt like it too much if those areas also became innaccesible due to the fact that i cant reach those transition points.
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Post by Makzimia on Feb 16, 2004 16:50:11 GMT
I have my suspicions on who is involved in the chest thing, and if I catch them, I *WILL* ban them. As for the evil area thing, Fredian North Desert is not an essential access area to others, unless you are below level 20 of course  and really if you have gotten that far out without help or good knowledge, you are risking your characters life potentially. And yes I know it can be done, I do it all the time, go to the cave city etc... but I will be make it even harder out there in conjunction with the resident baddies. Makz. |
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and really if you have gotten that far out without help or good knowledge, you are risking your characters life potentially. And yes I know it can be done, I do it all the time, go to the cave city etc... but I will be make it even harder out there in conjunction with the resident baddies.