Character Builds

[Zhoreb]

addicted2rpg said:

Had enough yet? Crying for mercy? Never!!

Oh please I can't take it anymore. Have mercy! Please post a build without a pickpocketing class;).

Vulnerabilities:
-Palemasters who are immune to critical hits

Is the 'immune to criticals but not to flanking' bug of Palemasters fixed in 1.62? If not, you can perform sneaky attacks on a palemaster. I was focused on the RDD fixes at the time....

[addicted2rpg]

With Pleasure!


Name: Genaro Dumas
Race: Elf*
Class: Cleric/Monk
* = the original Genaro Dumas was a human by Kris Vega. It is based on the original NWN 1.28 char build modified for HotU. Kris used Magic instead of Trickery for icestorm which was good in NWN 1.28, but with the advent of dev crit the improved invis 50% hit protection has gone up in value.

Starting stats:
Strength: 8
Dexterity: 17
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 8 <-- human version is skilled so +spellcraft
Wisdom: 18
Charisma: 8

Take skill points in concentration.
If you are using a human tweak, add spellcraft, but I warn not a lot of feat space for epic spells.

Level 1: Cleric, Domains Air and Trickery*, Martial Weapons
Level 2: Monk
Level 3: Cleric, Weapon Finesse
Level 4: Cleric, +dexterity (dex = 18 now)
Level 5: Cleric
Level 6: Cleric, Combat Casting
Level 7: Cleric,
Level 8: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 9: Cleric, Great Fortitude <-- important!!
Level 10: Cleric
Level 11: Cleric
Level 12: Cleric, +1 wisdom, ambidexterity
Level 13: Cleric
Level 14: Cleric
Level 15: Cleric, two-weapon fighting
Level 16: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 17: Cleric
Level 18: Cleric, Toughness
Level 19: Cleric,
Level 20: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 21: Cleric, Epic Fortitude <-- important!!
Level 22: Cleric
Level 23: Cleric
Level 24: Cleric, +1 wisdom, Greater Wisdom I, Improved Combat Casting (epic feats and player feats are happening same time now)

Level 25: Cleric
Level 26: Cleric
Level 27: Cleric, Greater Wisdom II, Greater Wisdom III
Level 28: Cleric, +1 wisdom.
Level 29: Cleric
Level 30: Cleric, Greater Wisdom IV, Greater Wisdom V
Level 31: Cleric
Level 32: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 33: Cleric, Greater Wisdom VI, Greater Wisdom VII
Level 34: Cleric
Level 35: Cleric
Level 36: Cleric, +1 wisdom, Greater Wisdom VIII, Greater Wisdom IX
Level 37: Cleric
Level 38: Cleric
Level 39: Cleric, Greater Wisdom X,** one feat of your choice.
Level 40: +1 wisdom

** = The char ends up with odd wis. You may want to take epic reflex or another feat of your choice if you think all your stat boosting equipment will be in evens. This will not affect the overall integrity of the build.

Equipment notes:
Wears robes.
Wears dex enhancers
Wears wis enhancers

Benefits:
when totally buffed, even with 28 dex (+10 dex added to its base 18 from equipment), all those cleric buffs cause this guy to swing pretty good. Not a half bad melee.

GREAT armor class. Wisdom bonus is added to AC along with the dex bonus. This class also doesn't have to "over-dex" like Monks do to get its AB up because its central weapon is spells (caster cleric), which of course are enhanced by the skyrocketing wisdom.

Saving throws are super. The high dex fixes a cleric's otherwise low reflex save, and the high wisdom sends its will right through the roof. The fortitude is a little on the weakside, but you get +6 fortitude from the feats which makes it not so bad. You are still quite vulnerable to dev crit. Wearing Fort enhancing equipment is something this char will want to do.

On Fredian:
It's a mixed bag because magic immunity is pretty rough, but there are no nerfs on heal or harm either, so depending on the situation both spells can be tweaked into useful strategies. Consider aura of alignment (people take damage when they hit you) and just healing yourself forever, or harming out those who arn't immune to it. Searing light is a slow solution, but will work if you keep it up long enough.

Remember, a good defense is a good offense, and vice versa. And you are not going to kill anything lying on the ground dead. This char is pretty good at staying alive if you equip him right, especially. The key is in the saves. Don't focus on immunities because if you hot foot it with spells like freedom and clarity, you don't need mind-affecting, freedom bla hblah blah effects -- you have them naturally if you have the sense to keep your spells up. Also pretty hard to dispel this guy on the high levs.

[AvengersWraith]

Elf, True Neutral

STR 14
DEX 14
CON 12
INT 14
WIS 10
CHR 14

1st lvl: Wizard
Craft Trap 4
Disable Trap 2=1
Open Lock 2=1
Set Trap 4=2
Tumble 4=2
Luck of Heros

2nd lvl: W
craft trap 1
spell craft 2

3rd lvl: W
craft trap 1
set trap 2=1
tumble 2=1
spell craft 2
weapon focus: rapier

4th lvl: Pale Master
+1 INT
craft trap 1
spell craft 3

5th lvl: PM
craft trap 1
spell craft 3

6th lvl: PM
set trap 2=1
tumble 2=1
Dodge

7th lvl: PM
craft trap 2
spell craft 2

8th lvl: PM
+1 INT
craft trap 1
set trap 2=1
tumble 2=1

9th lvl: PM
craft trap 1
set trap 2=1
tumble 2=1
Mobility

10th lvl: PM
craft trap 1
spell craft 3

11th lvl: PM
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1

12th lvl: PM
+1 INT
Concentration 3
CT 1
SC 1
Spring Attack

13th lvl: PM
CT 1
ST 2=1
T 2=1

14th lvl: W
C 2
CT 1
SC 2

15th lvl: W
CT 1
ST 2=1
T 2=1
Brew Potion
Still Spell

16th lvl: Champion of Torm
+1 INT
CT 1
Discipline 5

17th lvl: CoT
CT 1
D 5
Improved Critical: Rapier

18th lvl: CoT
CT 1
D 1
ST 2=1
T 2=1
Knockdown

19th lvl: CoT
Ct 1
D 1
ST 2=1
T 2=1
Improved Knockdown

20th lvl: CoT
+1 INT
CT 1
D 5

21st lvl: PM
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1
Armor Skin

22nd lvl: PM
CT 1
SC 5

23rd lvl: PM
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1
Epic Energy Resistence Cold I

24th lvl: PM
+1 INT
C 1
CT 3
SC 3
Epic Prowess

25th lvl: PM
C 1
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1

26th lvl: PM
C 5
CT 1
SC 1
Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor

27th lvl: PM
C 1
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1
Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier

28th lvl: PM
C 5
CT 1
SC 1

29th lvl: PM
+1 STR
C 1
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1
Epic Spell: Hellball

30th lvl: PM
C 5
CT 1
SC 1
Epic Spell: Greater Ruin

31st lvl: PM
C 1
CT 1
ST 2=1
SC 1
T 2=1

32nd lvl: PM
+1 STR
C 7
Epic Spell: Epic Warding

33rd lvl: PM
C 5
Craft Armor 2
Automiatic Still Spell I

34th lvl: PM
C 1
CA 6

35th lvl: PM
C 1
CA 3
T 2=1
Automatic Still Spell II

36th lvl: PM
+1 STR
C 1
CA 6
Automatic Still Spell III

37th lvl: PM
C 1
CA 3
T 2=1

38th lvl: PM
C 1
D 6=3
Epic Spell: Dragon Knight

39th lvl: PM
C 1
CA 3
D 2=1
Toughness (regular, not epic)

40th lvl: PM
C 1
CA 6

Ending Stats
STR 18
DEX 14
CON 12
INT 20
WIS 10
CHR 14

Fortitude 26
Reflex 23
Will 22

Base Attack 22

Naked AC 34

I chose elf so I could weapon focus with rapier, a swift sword that can wield a nasty cut.

Can use almost every weapon except those that are exotic. Can wear light and medium armor and use shields.

Can cast spells while wearing light or medium armor and using shield with excellant chance of casting spell successfully while in combat, all spells level 1 through 9 are automic still because of feats.

Now if only Makz would let me have this character for only a day to see how he'ld fare against Damien and other forces in Fredian so I could find his weakness.

[Xiloscient]

now i may have miss counted.. but 29 palemaster?!? you do know that your caster level for all those spells are... 5 or however many wiz you took... so even ppl with 20 sr you wont be able to touch... we wont even get to the 52 sr ppl.

btw combinding weapon master and rdd is not a viable build.. you need fighter for all the feats req of wm and you need sorc or bard for rdd. the only posible way to combined them would be to bard/wn/rdd and most of the bard would need to be pre level 20 which would only lower his natural ab to less then that of 30 ((which is a reg of any good fighter build))

pally/cot/wm could accualy be a good build... one would think... low on feats but cot helps that alot...
Hhhhmmm....
dam it now i have yet another char build to level up >=|

[TheEvilTit]

I was thinking about that Xilo but wouldn't there be a lot of drain on the points?

I don't know a lot about paladins and COTs but wouldn't you need a high wisdom, moderate charisma, dex and int of 13 at least, and then there's still the all important strength ?

[NightWalker]

These builds with details on the whys are excellent for those of us, (yes, I know I'm probably the only one), who don't know anything about how to build a decent pc who can actually survive pvm. Hope the better builders continue to post them to educate the rest of us. But there's one tiny question I have about a roll I get all the time. I know what an initiative roll is, (as in why it happens), but I don't know how it's figured. In other words, what is it based on? I fail them on both my little pc's and it's just annoying not understanding why.

[kline]

I am not into putting my builds up where just anyone can see them hehe figure it out yourself(man I am to evil""slaps himself"")
O and the initiative roll tells you who is going to attack first the higher roll winns. Your roll improves with your Dex bonus + any feats you have to make you initiative better hope that helps a little. (Oh yah I dont really know if NWN introduces these rules into the roll but some weapons are slower to wield than others I really dont think that NWN uses they rules though I have looked and it does not seem so.)

[AvengersWraith]

Imagine the Wiz/PM/CoT above casting Timestop in the middle of battle giving him 9 seconds to do whatever he wants without interferrence, he then follows with stilled true strike adding +20 to his attack rolls, that's 22 for base attack, 20 for spell, 4 for STR, 6 for STR enhancements, 10 for the enchanted rapier giving a to hit adjustment of 62 and the target loses all dex bonuses and dodge bonuses (or should by being frozen in times, not sure if NWN sees it that way yet). This he can do 4 times during combat. many of his spells will enhance defense as well as offense abilities.

He can summon either a red dragon or a demi-lich to help him in the fight, red dragon is hmmm, but the demi- lich, they are tough suckers to hit and kill immedialy battle.

I am not sure what his AC can reach in Fredian, but Whispering Oak's AC is 96 with +2 more to come when he reaches 40th level. All Whisper needs is to find a sword that will damage Damien Swift, he was not dispatched from Damien's lair easily yesterday, took Damien a few minutes to get rid of Whispering Oak, his build is not posted, and probably won't be.

[addicted2rpg]

Damien Swift might be vulnerable to that uber smiter build you'll find on the Bioware website. It would be a pain to level since its just a one trick pony.

Character building is one of my hobbies. Speaking of viable bard/rdd/WM builds, there are some very good ones out that focus more on the buffing aspects of bard. if they can get 22 dex going (for light leathers so they can cast). There is a rapier wielding one called "Whirling Death" on the bioware website as well. That one is actually a little more diverse than the others shown.

Remember that Bard has the same BAB as a cleric, a druid, or a monk!

I won't post the feats, but here is an easter egg:
17 cleric/3 wizard/20 PM.
Make SURE you're a dwarf with 13 int, 16 wis (you miss out on some spells because its low, but you won't need'em), and make sure to get it a good str score and keep that str score going up. If you feel you just HAVE to have greater restoration maybe take a point of wis

Good offense, good defense. BAB takes a small hit (-2) but the cleric buffs and divine favor with divine might will make you JUST FINE. It can get dev crit, but a little later in its career so you can't use it to level fast, but it still gets it. You'll really enjoy the crit immunity, even if no one has dev crit. Remember, you can crit people without dev crit and just knock their HP to nothing over the rounds on servers where it is not allowed -- it is just great damage reduction overall, even if your fort save is infinite. It will have excellent AC, and you should be able to squeeze in armor skin. You'll probably finish up at around a 14 or so str bonus which is a little lower than what a lot of people like. Be sure to take domains trickery for the improved invis and the domain of healing for some extra heals because you'll be a little shy on them if you are going to use harm.

What if enemy has SR? Then you're thinking the wrong strategy

This is a swinger!

If you arn't using at least 15 buff spells (40% of your available quickbar space) , you're also playing it wrong.

[CrunchX]

Can I just make some comments on this build? First of all if you're building this char from 1-40 quickly just for PvP or whatever, then you should get your 1 monk level at 40 so you can max out tumble skill for another 8 AC. Also the AB is going to be really low... really... monk/clerics already have bad AB but you spend all of your abilities on wisdom so you might be a good shield but not too good on the attack. BTW it's just my opinion but monks are my favorite class and i've tried monk/cleric etc... yes I got a high AC but the AB wasn't good enough even with the cleric spells. Also the idea of "cast aura of alignment and let them kill themselves hitting you"... that's not going to work against other PC's or even monsters like the warped fighters/barbarians. Oh and when i'm a fighter I always carry items that can dispell magic (and it usually takes off a lot of buffs with each dispell)... that's a sure way to make a very angry cleric but you will win

addicted2rpg said:

With Pleasure!


Name: Genaro Dumas
Race: Elf*
Class: Cleric/Monk
* = the original Genaro Dumas was a human by Kris Vega. It is based on the original NWN 1.28 char build modified for HotU. Kris used Magic instead of Trickery for icestorm which was good in NWN 1.28, but with the advent of dev crit the improved invis 50% hit protection has gone up in value.

Starting stats:
Strength: 8
Dexterity: 17
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 8 <-- human version is skilled so +spellcraft
Wisdom: 18
Charisma: 8

Take skill points in concentration.
If you are using a human tweak, add spellcraft, but I warn not a lot of feat space for epic spells.

Level 1: Cleric, Domains Air and Trickery*, Martial Weapons
Level 2: Monk
Level 3: Cleric, Weapon Finesse
Level 4: Cleric, +dexterity (dex = 18 now)
Level 5: Cleric
Level 6: Cleric, Combat Casting
Level 7: Cleric,
Level 8: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 9: Cleric, Great Fortitude <-- important!!
Level 10: Cleric
Level 11: Cleric
Level 12: Cleric, +1 wisdom, ambidexterity
Level 13: Cleric
Level 14: Cleric
Level 15: Cleric, two-weapon fighting
Level 16: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 17: Cleric
Level 18: Cleric, Toughness
Level 19: Cleric,
Level 20: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 21: Cleric, Epic Fortitude <-- important!!
Level 22: Cleric
Level 23: Cleric
Level 24: Cleric, +1 wisdom, Greater Wisdom I, Improved Combat Casting (epic feats and player feats are happening same time now)

Level 25: Cleric
Level 26: Cleric
Level 27: Cleric, Greater Wisdom II, Greater Wisdom III
Level 28: Cleric, +1 wisdom.
Level 29: Cleric
Level 30: Cleric, Greater Wisdom IV, Greater Wisdom V
Level 31: Cleric
Level 32: Cleric, +1 wisdom
Level 33: Cleric, Greater Wisdom VI, Greater Wisdom VII
Level 34: Cleric
Level 35: Cleric
Level 36: Cleric, +1 wisdom, Greater Wisdom VIII, Greater Wisdom IX
Level 37: Cleric
Level 38: Cleric
Level 39: Cleric, Greater Wisdom X,** one feat of your choice.
Level 40: +1 wisdom

** = The char ends up with odd wis. You may want to take epic reflex or another feat of your choice if you think all your stat boosting equipment will be in evens. This will not affect the overall integrity of the build.

Equipment notes:
Wears robes.
Wears dex enhancers
Wears wis enhancers

Benefits:
when totally buffed, even with 28 dex (+10 dex added to its base 18 from equipment), all those cleric buffs cause this guy to swing pretty good. Not a half bad melee.

GREAT armor class. Wisdom bonus is added to AC along with the dex bonus. This class also doesn't have to "over-dex" like Monks do to get its AB up because its central weapon is spells (caster cleric), which of course are enhanced by the skyrocketing wisdom.

Saving throws are super. The high dex fixes a cleric's otherwise low reflex save, and the high wisdom sends its will right through the roof. The fortitude is a little on the weakside, but you get +6 fortitude from the feats which makes it not so bad. You are still quite vulnerable to dev crit. Wearing Fort enhancing equipment is something this char will want to do.

On Fredian:
It's a mixed bag because magic immunity is pretty rough, but there are no nerfs on heal or harm either, so depending on the situation both spells can be tweaked into useful strategies. Consider aura of alignment (people take damage when they hit you) and just healing yourself forever, or harming out those who arn't immune to it. Searing light is a slow solution, but will work if you keep it up long enough.

Remember, a good defense is a good offense, and vice versa. And you are not going to kill anything lying on the ground dead. This char is pretty good at staying alive if you equip him right, especially. The key is in the saves. Don't focus on immunities because if you hot foot it with spells like freedom and clarity, you don't need mind-affecting, freedom bla hblah blah effects -- you have them naturally if you have the sense to keep your spells up. Also pretty hard to dispel this guy on the high levs.

[serpitus]

I know this post is for Charecter builds but y'all are thinking way to linear. I try to adventure in groups and the possibilities are endless. How about the Walking hospital with a couple of meat shields. Or Nothing beats a dwarven defender in a hallway with a hail of arrows raing in from behind. Well just my 2 cents are combine yor talents over many builds and you will always be better suited. And for you uber builders this would just be fun, combining it all.

[TheNaga]

Here's my opinion DON'T pre-plan that way you are flexable for example you discover a certain monster is to hard yet you don't have the spell or feat to make it easy next feat you take take that skill rather than preplaning plan on what you need that way in the end all the monsters your fighting will be easy because you have all the exact spells and/or feats to kill em though this only works for adventurers not pvp'ers I really can't be arsed to make a character designed sole'y for pvp I rather make an all around character

[CrunchX]

TheNaga said:

Here's my opinion DON'T pre-plan that way you are flexable for example you discover a certain monster is to hard yet you don't have the spell or feat to make it easy next feat you take take that skill rather than preplaning plan on what you need that way in the end all the monsters your fighting will be easy because you have all the exact spells and/or feats to kill em though this only works for adventurers not pvp'ers I really can't be arsed to make a character designed sole'y for pvp I rather make an all around character

True...
I never plan my characters or use a level up module first, so I make some characters that are never any good but I still had fun. Also I never had a char with the disarm feat before I met those warped over on ferrus island heheh

[NightWalker]

CrunchX said:

True...
I never plan my characters or use a level up module first, so I make some characters that are never any good but I still had fun. Also I never had a char with the disarm feat before I met those warped over on ferrus island heheh

I've got about six character's with zero planning, all shelved because they simply couldn't survive. Reason was, I'm no builder. These builds posted help people like me tons on things I will most likely overlook. I might plan my build roughly, but I've a high level now, some of it planned on posts I've read here, but many of her feats/stats decided on the spur due to things affecting her during her time so far. She isn't perfect, can't survive everything, and needs help lots, but she's surviving now. So keep posting them, it's more than a little helpful, and interesting to see how the pro's do it.

[MitzaVolchenko]

Ipolitely request that if you do not pre-plan your builds, you also do not ask to be relevelled to fix character build problems.
Though I don't generally pre-plan a complete build, I do at least make a general list of what I want to end up with ie list feats needed for prestige class, or list pre-req feats for epic feats that I want.
Of course, I have the edge of hanging out on TS with some of our premier build twinks (thanks guys, it really has helped me to not make another Mala).