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Post by AvengersWraith on Jan 26, 2004 3:30:11 GMT
I stopped, saw nobody killing Dertro, the chickens or any NPCs, then I went about my business.
IMO
The King's Knight should have told them to disperse or go to jail, all of them, if they really want to fight they must leave his jurisdiction. Nip that crap in the bud.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Jan 26, 2004 13:38:43 GMT
*sighs* Avenger....thats what I was trying to do....but anyways.
I have apologised profusely to phoenix ooc and ic and continue to beg his forgiveness in that regard. *grovels and begs more* However, Sniven does have a good point doesnt he? you can only push a man so far before he will snap. As my char witnessed the whole thing, he saw all of this and tried to make the people involved stand down numerous times before it all broke out into violence.
As to Serion's point about Archon...Yes, i know she was there, but she did not see the whole thing, as i tried to tell her. :-(
About the whining...yeah I know Mitza...i wrote the initial post at 6am in the morning when i hadnt slept...so i was a little cranky...still, the debate is good from it! (Hell, you know how no sleep feels!)
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Post by AvengersWraith on Jan 26, 2004 13:56:21 GMT
What we need is for Mak and Addicted to come up with ways for Knights to enforce the laws they are trying to uphold.
Prison wand, wand to summon hordes of NPC gaurds, and anything they think will help the knights perform their assigned duties.
Tell them to disperse, if ignored, summon horde of gaurds, if still ignored zap them with prison wand and bye, bye problem. (Yes, all three of my kids hated me when it came to rules and discipline. The oldest thought I was over-zealous until he had his own kids.)
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Post by AvengersWraith on Jan 26, 2004 13:58:46 GMT
Oh yeah, if Frost was your friend he should of asked the others to take it outside your jurisdiction, then if they tried to physically stop him, then he would of been justified with self defense, IMO.
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Post by Makzimia on Jan 26, 2004 13:59:42 GMT
As in all things you can draw a line in the dirt somewhere and 10 folks will all argue it is unfair... however... addicted is working on a jail system amongst his other list of things I have on his plate for him. "Rome, was not built in one day"  sure as heck got nerfed in one though... Makz. |
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Post by AvengersWraith on Jan 26, 2004 16:00:23 GMT
Mak,
I, personally, don't expect you to have Fredian built in a day, tomorrow will be OK ;D
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Post by Phoenix on Jan 26, 2004 16:08:57 GMT
Preedy1978 ooc it's no problem, the whole situation was hectic and happened pretty quick. IC, well that's being RPed out.  As for the discussion about knights honor and what they should and shouldn't do. I'm of the opinion that a knight pretty much wouldn't have stood for being called names, but I don't think it would come to the knight attacking/killing the person, unless the other person drew weapons. I do think they would arrest them for public disturbance/disturbing the peace type charge. Now in Fredian that mean you come quitely, give up to the charge, or you are attacked/killed/bound/raised/jailed. I think once there are known laws and punishment it will be more clear. That discussion is going on here, please throw your input in there about that end of the discussion. makzimia.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=Chat&action=display&thread=1074493903 |
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Post by Tenra on Jan 26, 2004 17:25:58 GMT
I think the wand could be a good idea, but i think it should work 2 ways.
Fist Way ... point wand target person then person gets a menu to accept it or not... This will give them a chance to go quietly..
Second way... it works on corpses raising them and teleporting them to jail.. for the 10 mins
But before the wand come out the laws should be stated or posted in the Cities at a town or city hall..
And the Knight should be the only ones with the wand and should go thru an Oath to the King recorded and posted on the Boards.
On to martial law.. Well sadly i have to agree after much thought.. The Guards in town and the Knights are law what they say goes even if they are wrong. But that goes for in the city. Outside the city its a different story ,the stronger person or the one with the most people is the law. But think a second after a few good commits from the other posts i have to agree , Kings Sultans and Emperors all had same system their Soilders were law and most the time it was thru fear. With that being said Frost is not a knight but he is a high profile person with alot of weight in the Kingdom like it or not. So during this time and peroid smarting off to one such as he, in a manner to insult him deeply i can see his reason for attacking.
Its up to the Knight there to see if it was justified or not. Yes he has friends in the Knights, very smart man.
Its really well known too, so that is the risk you take when goating him. If dont want the law involved dont do it town. If you dont like the way the knight been handling things submit complaints to the king and have others do the same like Some other folk are doing. But Sad fact is Fredian is not the US. It is a dictatorship and if its the King you dont like Start an uprising.
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Post by Phoenix on Jan 26, 2004 17:57:33 GMT
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
I want an anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
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Post by Spathic on Jan 26, 2004 22:46:24 GMT
if you are insulted wether by spittle or words you are well within your rights to stand up and demand satisfaction... I don't think you should throw down with everyone who throws a few dark words your way but when you are obviously being baited a beatdown is just what the doctor ordered...
Further I think we should have trial by combat... to the death with no raise, or to the yield or first blood with stiff monetary penalties and/or jail...
((BTW proboards SUCKS... i get too many connections every dang time))
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Post by addicted2rpg on Jan 27, 2004 2:46:47 GMT
If Karl said "clear the area" and they resisted ("i.e., we can do what we want"), he has the RP justification to attack as a knight, although that is not necessarily the wisest or the best course of action. If a policeman in Nazi Germany or Communist China told me to clear the area, you bet I'm going to leave or I'll never see the light of day for mouthing off. In any state that is under martial law, you can't do what you want. Karl could of showed them that. I do happen to have the insider privilege of knowing that Karl is an LG, however, and it seems classic. He is suffering an inner conflict between the Law (enforcing murder) and Good (doing what he thinks is right). In fact, Baldur's Gate II shows this beautifully where Keldorn is torn between turning his wife in or making peace. When the Law and the Good don't coincide, its always difficult for an LG char. A lawful neutral character probably would of hung the murderer to the letter, but Karl isn't lawful neutral  Conviction to duty and how the other characters behaving set the pendelum. In Karl's case, Good won over the Law, a decision that he expressed was very difficult to make. That one could go a lot of different ways. He could persuade the crowd that he was about to do the deed himself for them refusing to clear the area, but this other PC did the job for him, and therefore was acting noble by siding with a knight. |
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Post by Radog on Jan 27, 2004 3:51:58 GMT
I'd like to see Merrick Wend himself call another one of those mandatory meetings at Castille where like 30 people are there and all factions can sort this out and the King can speak and also listen to all sides, IC, instead of through OOC and posts.
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Post by AvengersWraith on Jan 27, 2004 6:17:12 GMT
Radog,
Nice idea, I dread the chaos that will ensue if it happens, and if I am awake when it happens I will attend to voice my opinion in an orderly manner and bite my tongue when I would be wishing I could petrify many to expedite the meeting.
Way to many people made the meeting feel like junior high after school detention with all the side comments and attention deficit and hyper-activity behaviour (without the medication).
I think King Wend and Mak are reasonable and would rather see them based on all the information they have.
I think most of the server rules are fine, PvP and judicial system are the two problem areas, I expressed my opinions on both already.
Mak has made statements that make me believe he is giving these two areas thought and we will be made aware of the rules should they change by reading the updates and important information threads.
Knight's and Gaurds are not that old to rule them out yet.
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Post by Preedy1978 on Jan 27, 2004 13:34:01 GMT
Thanks you addicted! I have IC and OOC reasons for not going on an uber rampage over troublemakers IC for these reasons: OOC: its not really much fun getting your a** handed to you several times for trying to act in character. IC: Karl is really struggling with the martial law business...he's trying to do what is right, not repress people in a way that makes him seem an evil hulking monster.
Everyone please note the comments addicted and Phoenix have made here....martial law means exactly what they have stated: the knights ARE the law, until a system comes up anyways.
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Post by Makzimia on Jan 27, 2004 13:44:29 GMT
Merrick will probably hold compulsary court soon again. On a side note after seeing the comment floated, and having considered it before, and still keeping within the KISS principle I have tried to employ for a GAME RULE 2b. Respawn after death in PvP means end of PvP. Makz. |
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sure as heck got nerfed in one though... 
Conviction to duty and how the other characters behaving set the pendelum. In Karl's case, Good won over the Law, a decision that he expressed was very difficult to make.