*sigh* Life, death, knights, and of course, Martia

[Spathic]

Percival said:

BINGO... There is no revenge. Your walking down the street in real life, 3 people attack you, rob you and kill you. Whats your revenge? What is your recourse? God, it infurates me that people think they have a "Right to Revenge". If you die you die. Get over it.

I know the server allows for a roll to see if you remember, but personally, even if I do have the opportunity, I dont bother with a reroll if the kill was done RP because they won the fight. Acknowledge the player's actions in ooc as "well fought or well played" if it was, and if it wasn't I clear the area as their victory gives them "right of way"

This "My sword is bigger then yours" and "You got lucky that time, now I will mop the floor with you" attitudes are those of people who should go play DOOM. It is only natural that people want to test themselves against others, I have no problem with PvP what so ever, and think servers that disallow it totally are pathetic. But accept the responcibilty of your actions. If you are walking through the woods and 3 thieves surprise and kill you, d**n I guess you should have put more points into spot then, or been a little more careful. Here are a couple basic things that everyone forget in D&D and especially NWN that everyone should keep in mind.

1) NO PLACE IS SAFE - Be ready for a problem at all times.

2) NOTHING STAYS THE SAME FOREVER - If you suddenly run into a Dragon that is not normally where it is, it is perfectly fair. Expecting monsters to be in the same place everytime is bordering on metagaming and you got no right to pregnant dog because you got caught with your pants down.

3) ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR - UNTIL SOMEONE DIES. Don't get pissed because someone gave you no warning. Do you really expect someone to come up to you and ask..."Excuse me, may I kill you today?"

4) GET OVER IT. If you lose you lose. If you win you win. The worst RP is that of not only the loser who respawns and reattacks, but the winner who goads on that they killed you. The situation is settled, there is no revenge, there is no gloating to the dead player once they respawn. Harass them til the respawn all you like, they dead anyway, what do they care. But once they respawn the situation should end PvP from ALL perspectives...both winner and loser.


The simple answer to all questions can be found in one question. "What would I do if I were really this character?" Often times you will find that the answer is "Nothing, because I would be dead" When that is the case, accept and move on. To coin your own words "You got Punk'd...There is no revenge"

No ressurection in real life... If i could be resurrected i would darn sure find the people who killed me if possible...

[Hanah]

Hello all,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the central point we are all kind of wandering towards here is the difference between IC and OOC retribution.

In my opinion, IC retribution, so long as it is maintained as such, is entirely within the bounds of reasonable RP and for certain personalities is very believable.

Conversely, OOC retribution is just tacky and childish. If you are choked because someone killed your char (be it IC or OOC killilng!) well, I'm sure there's a server somewhere full of fluffy bunnies. I mean, it's just a character, and really, the XP you lose from one respawn is about equivalent to one of the weekly quests. Go take your frustrations out on Brand;-)

While Percival makes a number of excellent points I believe most of them apply to OOC killing situations. IC, a lot of characters wouldn't be so ready and willing to face death at any moment (my own included).

Regarding this apparent increase in pointless killings (sniven's thread about people killing for their camping site), well, how do we deal with this attitude as a group? Firstly is it something we ought to put our attention to, and if so, how do we try to encourage people to behave more decently? Good RP encourages RP, is that an option we ought to consider? Or should we consider some sort of XP modification that makes this ridiculous camping of certain locations fruitless?

Hanah
... very rarely engages in the guilty pleasure that is wanton slaughter

[Silentus]

Preach on, sister!


Silentus
...Driven to violence by his love of peace.

[Valen]

Personally,

I think that you will see a lot more RPing and caution taken if the penalty for respawning was increased. (ex.. 150xp per level and 5k gp per level)

1) It will force people to think twice about there actions expecially when it comes to PvP. Because if they loose and have to respawn, there loosing there time...and thats extremely valuable. People spend hours on hours PW leveling so they can be the next big bully or bad a**, and they dont want to loose that. Gold isnt an issue because most people are millionares anyway.

2) People would party up more when exploring..so that they would have a safety net if they should fall and it will aslo encourage more rping and less PW leveling.

3) And indirectly, it will force people to show the Knights and Paladins more respect because now, if they should do something wrong in town (Fight, act out of line, etc) they have to worry about geting killed. not only by the NPC guards, but for Sir Mack and Sir Karl and whom ever represents the Kings Laws.

And for the most part, this would only affect your high leveled characters, because most of your lower leveled characters stay out of the circle of conflict , there too busy PW leveling so that they can get in the inner circle ;D

I think overall, the value of PC lives would increase dramatically.. and people wouldnt take everything for granted.

[Radog]

Excellent points, Valen....The respawn penalty should at least double to 100xp per level and you should be able to lose a level due to respawn. I have seen people respawning like it was nothing, not even waiting for those around them to raise them because they are at the beginning of a new level and they know that they will not go backwards.....And I can almost guarantee that the hotheads will calm down, especially those in the 6xp across the board bracket. One more thing....when someone falls due to PvP, why are they always respawned by someone? In some cases I can understand the Knights doing it to take the person to jail or something, but forcing people to take the xp hit sometimes would also cause then to tread more carefully....