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Post by kline on Mar 13, 2004 21:38:51 GMT
Ok I better say something since I am the one getting the butt end of the Lasso in these fights anyway. As I have said before I am done with all the RP and planning and plotting and hours,and hours of this might I add. To do something for not me, no. I am plotting and makeing all this stuff happen all the time for the good people to let them into the game so they can have fun. The evil people RP all day you just dont see it. You good people just sitt around in west styne all day hoping somthing will happen. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder why do all the fights happen in West styne. I wonder maybe because the Knights never leave there  . Ok here anouther thing the PVP fights are over as far as I am concerned for me and the knights the kights are always in DM mode and thats just stupid.(remembers the time his DM put him against a Demigod in a game at 15th level.) I dont fight DMs ..... I know yall can come out of DM mode but I dont care about that so I am just done with it. No more fighting from me in any area as far as I am concerned we can just go ahead and stop PVP right now on the server. It would not bother me in the slightest. There are plenty of monsters out there for me to fight. Kind of sad though to lose all the RP we had going for all this time. Oh well. again"" As for the Lasso that was the worst idea yet OK the knights already had all the power and the DMs behind them they also would chase us with half the server. I was always outnumbered I dont know how many times and chased for ever o yes because why again it rears it ugly head there is no evil town. There is no place that Evil Knights walk the streets with there own whips to take you to there jails and be punished by there laws. Ok theres my gripe I know I repeat myself allot but noone listens so I will just keep yelling.. All of this is pointless anyway the people yall always called Team evil will not be seen anymore. So go ahead use your lasso have fun, but just remember your fun was at anouther persons expense. I have fun by tring to let other people around me have fun and doing stuff for them to add to there worlds. If you know a specific person does not want to play buy your rules of the lasso write down there name and if you ever PVP against them dont use the lasso simple, or dont PVP with them just walk right past each other. Just because you are a knight does not give you the right to lasso someone that does not want to RP with you. The lasso to me is just like PKing if you do it against someone that is not and does not want to be a part of your lassoing world. Until Team evil as yall call us get something compareable to all that the good people on this serve have (everything they want). Team evil for me is done. |
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Post by taylor on Mar 13, 2004 21:47:58 GMT
kline, those are some brilliant points you have made, my hats off to you. i think that their should be an evil town, with their lassoo, the only problems are that all the scripting (im not sure if it would be difficult or not, only problem is i cant script a door to close so i cant tell :-) ) and also i dont think their is enough evil players around, not enough evil big players if all this was to happen think of the lassoo wars, id have to say that they would need to be restricted to certain areas, and have a fair amount of areas neutral as for fighting DM's ah brings back memories, it does give them a slight advantage of which im sure they dont use . |
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Post by kline on Mar 13, 2004 22:21:39 GMT
Oh wait I missed something. I forgot to write about a couple of other posts kidnap Hanah boring already been done. Anouther thing write the knights and tell them about the plot before hand and have them meet you somewhere so the plot can be played. Oh my god this is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Whens the last time you went to a movie and asked to have some guy in the line tell you about the whole movie before it starts to see if you will like it. Oh man this is a sad day, sad day indeed. Come on people it is a game play it have fun.  |
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Post by JoScMa on Mar 14, 2004 4:15:24 GMT
The evil people RP all day you just dont see it. And what makes you assume that? Just because we don't hang around you all day doesn't mean we think you don't RP. Hoping something will happen? How do you know that? I don't stay in West Styne hoping something will happen. Thinking we stay in West Styne all the time is an assumption. Second, West Styne naturally became the center point of the entire mod. You cannot blame people for wanting to spend a good deal of time in that area. Third, are the knights the only people evil PC's can plot against? Where did you get this from? Not everyone who is a knight is a DM. And I am not always in DM mode. I was in DM mode *once* with you present and that was before you and your group showed up in the inn. What do you expect? You want a rule saying only one person can chase you at a time? You want half of your enemies to stand there and say, "Forget it?" Unclear sentence. Can you please rephrase? (Not to offend or anything, but it is hard to understand sometimes what you are saying due to the way you write.) Apparently you had no idea how much chaos was around before Makz put his foot down. There was constant chaos and it got out of hand. Was that fun for me having to deal with that all the time? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a little chaos every now and then, but there is a limit to that. What's the point of this? Not a single person came up to me and told me "I don't want to RP with you anymore." I can't read their minds. Is that OOC PK'ing or IC PK'ing? What do you mean by "...against someone that is not?" Not what? Again, how am I supposed to know someone does not want to take part in this "lassoing world" if no one actually tells me this? |
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Post by kline on Mar 14, 2004 13:59:38 GMT
JoScMa Ok man maybe you are not getting our posts. I am not griping at you I just want it to all be fair and fun for everyone. Everyone...... Why are the plots against the knights all the time. Because yall are fun to RP with. I ejoy RPing with allot of people on this server. Mack and Karl just game allot like me and my friends. That naturally draws us together to game. The knights are the most powerful people on the server, also with lots of back. Naturally that is going to draw the evil people to you. Evil people knowing that if you take down the knights the rest of the good people will fall soon after. OK who does not want to be part of your Lassoing world. Well is that not appearant Phoenix doesnt want to play with the Lasso as he thinks it is unfair. So problem very easly solved here (come on work together people). Dont use the Lasso on Pheonix and his friends in battle until the battle is over, and one or the other side has won or runn the other side off. OK where is our town where evil knights walk the streets with there own lassos and there own jails. Hmmmmmmmmm you could not understand this statment. This statement is unclear. OK I will restate it then. I want an evil town, where we have evil Knights and evil rulers. Some place good people like Mack and Karl would think twice about going into. I want this town to be set up much in the same way styne is I want the evil Knights to have there own Lassos and be able to jail Pesky Knights from Styne who will not leave the good people of the evil town alone, to jail. I dont know anyone that does not want to RP with you everyone wants to have fun and RP together. I am just saying if someone does not want to play by the rules of using the Lasso in combat until the combat is over then dont use it. I dont think me and my friends really made that much choas for anyone. I have recieved many many tells all the time telling me they want more of Getty going crazy. I limit what I do though, as do my friends we have all been playing D&D for a looooooooong time. We know how to play and set up plots and story lines we are not dumb. Choas is cool butt only to a certain limit. Good people and knights go out and leave town?  ?? When??? I have never seen this? OK sorry Frost you will leave West Styne, thank god for Frost. If I want to find I knight where would I look. West Styne of coarse they are always there. Excuse me if I am wrong but isnt the Castle yall are suppose to be protecting in Castille. I had the greatest idea. But I dont know if anyone would here me out. Why dont we all as higher level PCs get out of west styne and find some other place to meet and go. Leave West Styne for the new people, and maybe a DM to control and take care of. To bad there is not a gate on West Styne that only people 10th and below could accually enter that area hehe. Oh well. Everyone have fun and enjoy yourselfs.  |
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Post by Preedy1978 on Mar 15, 2004 14:29:54 GMT
Ok..as for me being a DM...i am NOT in 'Knight Mode' as a Dm. Let me make that CLEAR. I will NOT act as a Knight with Karl as a DM. Thank you.
As for team evil being done, well, if people cant figure a way to sneak around the law, then maybe they shouldnt play team evil. Just like RL, you get caught, you do the time, simple.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 15, 2004 17:02:18 GMT
"OMG, someone actually reads my posts, colour me ecstatic:-)"Yes of course we do, BTW you also have 3 stars now. It's not that they are contradictory, but that they both apply. If everyone isn't having fun there is a fundamental problem in the RP, this is obvious with the lasso. At first I thought it was the use, now I'm realizing it's the existance, because people don't want to play fair when they get neat toys. "I view the lasso in much the same way. I really don't see where lasso usage impedes anyone's ability to respond to an RP situation..."It can, has, and will. Sure it offers new avenues for RP, but even those are short lived looping RPs. Do something evil, get jailed, get free, rinse/repeat. --Oh, get executed every now and then. Now I'm being a little harsh in the description, yes you can be MUCH more creative with the lasso RPs, but people aren't see the kngiht's reports. Now compare that to the RPs this thing -is- ending. I'd dare you to find a recent plot with my character that was as simplpe as robbing/killing someone in front of a knight (extreamly common reasons for jailing) with little or no reason other that 'being evil'. I don't think the knights are doing this for their entertainment only, but it seems are getting a lot more out of it than me. "The Knights' players take a lot of grief..."Wah, so do evil players. It's hard being hated by all good people and many evil people. The knights just have to deal with evil types. "Ok, let me get one thing clear...I am NOT against evil rp!!"You can say it until you blue in the face, but if you actions discourage evil (beyond just RPing), there is a disconnect between what you want and what you do. "maybe they should try not punking out the knights IC every 5 minutes, or maybe they should try NOT committing offences IC in front of the Knights."Let me ask you this? Are you describing someone else? I don't do this, most of Kline's characters (until recently with Getty) are not this way. I mean lets clarify things here, the core of "team evil" consists of characters by Kline, Omega, Cain, myself, and any people we draw into our plots. We all know eachother outside of this game, we all came here together. OK, so now you know who we are, are you talking about us or other evil people? I have heard only one complaint from a player, and by their own words that person was metagaming and PKing, so I kinda dismiss that complaint a little. Other than that 0 complaints about our play that I know of. I kinda get the feeling your irritated with people doing dumb things, but your using those comparisons to people who tend to avoid plotless/pointless RPs. Because quite frankly I'm tired of hearing that description when people talk to us. Even Getty's non-sense has a solid RP backround. "Live with it."Wow, do you really think we are with talk like that? Take it or leave eh? Thanks. "And what makes you assume that? Just because we don't hang around you all day doesn't mean we think you don't RP."Because of Preedy1978's dumb evil comments. He makes it sound like we log on, jump into W. Styne and start killing. He says "it makes me wonder if those people are really interested in RP, or if they're more interested in PvP." What he doesn't know is there is often hours of RP done before some of these "PVP slugfests." What he also doesn't realize is that he's stomping on these RPs by using the lasso. So when a knight gets involved (it isn't always us bringing you into it, sometimes thing get reported to you) we react. We often have several people with us, so if a fight happens, we are ready. But if you guys use the lasso, it tips the scales. It almost makes you undefeatable if you have just a little help. It's kinda crap when hours of RP gets snuffed by 5 minutes of PvP fights with the knights, who might not have been involved (yet). What happens/happend at that point it a fight to get people out of jail, causing more conflicts with the knights. The point is, we have lots of RP you guys don't know about when you whip out that lasso and start jailing people. It's hard enough to get a party of people together for a plot and when the whole RP gets change to a jailbreak it's no fun. "Apparently you had no idea how much chaos was around before Makz put his foot down. There was constant chaos and it got out of hand. Was that fun for me having to deal with that all the time?"OK I can see why if things were more chaotic, maybe things not having to do with any of us, that would be bad. But I'm not a fan of punish everyone because someone couldn't play right/fair/fun/whatever. I'd rather see that someone warned/banned and everyone else be able to do what they want (within reason). So translated, I would rather see the people causing trouble in W. Styne for no reason to be warned/banned by the DMs (we have more now) than having W. Styne be unplayable so there is no trouble. See, what you guys are doing is turing W. Styne (the hub of the server) into a good only area. The last time I logged in, I asked what you were going to do about me being in W. Styne (I wasn't causing any trouble at the time, and was trying to meet a new player/character, had to do that invisible and with whispers just to meet them). what did you do? Sicked the NPC knights on me Great, now add NPCs to the list of things the knights use against other players. "Where did you get this from? Not everyone who is a knight is a DM. And I am not always in DM mode. I was in DM mode *once* with you present and that was before you and your group showed up in the inn." Come on now. That's BS, you were in DM mode when you sicked the NPC knights on me. You have been in DM mode several other times too. The very fact that you character is in the area means you RPing wether you like it or not. The bar example with Mira is a PERFECT ex. You were *trying* to not be involved, but your presence alone factored into RPing. Let me pose these two scenarios to you and tell me if you being in DM mode matters. Ventrick walks into town, there are a few people there, no knights. He' decides it's time to 'collect' some things. Do you think he makes the same decision if your there? See your presence affects thing, don't kid yourself by saying "I'm not getting involved in DM mode" or "I'm not in knight mode." That is BS, everyone knows your characters, and your presence affects things. A LOT. "Is that OOC PK'ing or IC PK'ing? What do you mean by "...against someone that is not?" Not what? Again, how am I supposed to know someone does not want to take part in this "lassoing world" if no one actually tells me this?"I think it's clear some poeple are telling you here. But if all the knights don't agree it's pointless. I thank you for saying you won't, but that's only 1/4 of the users, and that's not good enough to see me play evil much. As far as the PKing I think he's reffering to the fact that even after you serve your prision term your still 'wanted'. Phoenix isn't even listed in the crime section, but can he travel safely in town?
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Post by Makzimia on Mar 15, 2004 18:00:28 GMT
I am only going to say this once, pull your horns in or piss off! I am sick of this SH*T! if there is anything going on that is wrong I want to know about when it happens, that means ANYONE involved in something they should not be doing, but I know from vast experience of watching invisible as DM that at the very least Karl and Mack have there hands full all the time unless I tell players to behave with things that have nothing to do with RP. Now either come to a mutual understanding about how you are going to do things, or take a hike.
Makz.
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?? When??? I have never seen this? OK sorry Frost you will leave West Styne, thank god for Frost. If I want to find I knight where would I look. West Styne of coarse they are always there. Excuse me if I am wrong but isnt the Castle yall are suppose to be protecting in Castille.
