Arena Tournament

[JonnyO]

I know I was not the only person who attended the PvP competition that was held in Whillem on Sunday, 5/2. I know this for a fact because I was beaten by a beautiful mage Named Dara 3 times, 2 of them rematches at my request. Even though I was beaten, I thoroughly enjoied myself. I would like to see this happen more often, possibly on an ongoing basis.
I would like to propose that a guild be started to organize such matches. Maybe the Fredian Fighting Assocation, or Fredian Arena Fighting, perhaps? I was talking on the teamspeak server later that night with Anomaly Lone ( a personal friend), Mitza, and I believe Pheonix, and we agreed that thais would be a good thing for Fredian. We spoke of rule making, teir-based competition, ideas for a reward system, and even gambling. These are the things a guild would be responsible for. The guild would also be responsible for event times, and announcement. I believe this would require quite a good amount of people to help coordinate
and even a DM member to help with possible PvMonster matches(?) and rewards.
Even though I have not been on the server long (1+ months?). And my characters are of low level(tenth is highest of 2). AND I have sometime proved to be a pain to the DM's(MAKZ ;D). I currently have a guild and would be intrested in changing it into the organizing guild. I have been learning the ins and outs of guild management, and think it would be fun to run a guild with this type of responsibility.

Just thought I'd throw the idea out there, and see what everyone thinks!

[MitzaVolchenko]

I'll help out with DM support. I ran a little impromptu tourney last week, and the low level tourney with Fred the adopted Balrog (Mackenzie that was just funny) as referee was lots of fun for everyone.

[JonnyO]

"Thank you my dear lady"*bows*


Well, There's a DM to help. Thanks Mala!


Well, I want to have some input before I slap a name on the guild. It should be THE guild to organize PvP competitions, with a tier based battle structure. IE: any modern professional fighting organization. I made some name suggestions above, and others would be appreciated.


A name isn't the only thing we will need. I would like to know what people think about the structure.
1)Should it be same-class or mixed-class battles?
2)Where should the level breaks be (1-3, 1-5, 1-10)? Or should there be more flexible level brackets based on the fighter's class(es)?
3)how should the rewards be structured? Exp based on opponent's lvl/class? Gold? Items? All of the above or a choice?
4)What about championship matches? Larger rewards?
5)Should there be spell restrictions IE: (timestop/dispel/invisibility/buffing/ect..)?
6)Should the matches be timed, if so, how?

Here's what I think:
1) Mixed, it will make for more impressive battles
2)Based on class, but uneven ie: NOT lvl 5 Barbarian vs lvl 5 Wizard : being the wizard would be quickly crushed, and to help keep it mixed, so we don't have a just a bunch of fighters and barbians running around.
3)I would like to see the choice given, and definatly EXP, since I think it will help with stopping powerleveling.(though it might require constant DM attention)
4) Of course Bigger rewards, you fought you way there!
5)I don't think so.
6)Yes, but a long time like 5 minutes.

That's all my thoughts at the moment, any and ALL comments appreciated!

[AvengersWraith]

The tournaments could have different criteria on different meetings.

week 1: 1 vs. 1 melee combat, 3 ranking, beginners (10 to 20 levels), intermendiate (21 to 30 levels) and advanced (31 to 40 levels); 1 vs. 1 magic, beginners (10 to 20 levels), intermendiate (21 to 30 levels) and advanced (31 to 40 levels); 3 person teams, any combination, beginners (10 to 40 levels combined), intermendiate (41 to 70 levels combined) and advanced (71 to 120 levels combined)

week 2: other challanges, with a DMs help you can have humans vs. drow, or halfings vs. dwarves; lots of possibilities

You can commission crafters to make exceptional weapons to award as prizes, I would love a crack at winning an ultimate-yellow-cloak. Katana of the Dragons would be a nice prize.

It just requires effort and inititive.

[TheNaga]

All this from sitting around at the campfire with Thom ((who I had just met for 5 minutes)) saying "hey lets find some way to entertain ourselves" ;D I would certainly be interested in seeing this guild although its far to early for me to be binding myself to any guilds. But I do have a few idea's for other competitions to get the community involved in.

The Arena idea was inspired by Mala's excelent arena that went on a few days ago and the balrog was just JoScMa and his mysterios godly ways............... crazy but godly.

[Norlinor]

Great Idea!!!

I’d like to give some suggestions.

You should do a little research about the medieval tournaments, and maybe some Roman Empire Circus and the Greek Games.

In early medieval times usually a noble organized tournaments to define his champion, who was the best knight of his company. Later on the duels became more than that, and the nobles sponsored tournaments where knights from others feuds and countries participate, the prizes varying from common warfare items or coins to lands, titles or even battalions. These events were always bound to days of parties and fairs, where the merchants followed the route of the bigger tournaments to sell their products.

There were competitions for the common, like bow shooting, but the jousting lance duel was special, usually the champions had the opportunity to compete in the nobles’ tournament; and this was one of the few ways for the common folk to ascent in the society. This could be adapted for something like low-levels joining high-levels championships, or an opportunity to challenge Castille knights.

There is one particular modality that amuses me more, the common items duel, where the opponents are allowed to use only common (not magical) items. Although some classes will have better performances than others, this turns the high level duels in really tough combats, and sometimes, a 20th level char can fight a 35th and succeed…

The Tyrran Church of Fredian would be honoured to sponsor a championship, and if Vugor agreed we will provide him the materials and pelts to craft a prize for a Champion of Justice.

[Hanah]

Wow, the thought of some of our uber level 40s bashing at each other with a 'Shard special' vanilla longsword is pretty interesting! I can hear some folks cringing even now:-)

For the possibility of arena combat being implemented... what about setting up a bookie? It would be hard to determine odds to win I suppose, but that could add another angle of interest... people who aren't inclined to go watch the hackfest might be more interested if there's some coin on the line. Maybe people would build 'prizefighter' chars... who exist for the arena and nothing more.

I've been reading Morte d'Arthur recently... there seemed to be no end of excuses for a fight. So far in the book I've seen organised team battles, round robin style tourneys, 'running the gauntlet', that sort of thing... maybe these are all potential fodder for our more combat oriented players. (Hey I don't mind dropping the gloves from time to time either!) But I do hope that people take pointers from the last attempted tourney which was Karl and someone else's (sorry forgot) idea... organisation beforehand is indispensible.

Hanah

[JonnyO]

Great input, thanks for the ideas everyone.


I like the level breaks, Avenger, but I would definatly like to include lvls 1-10, as these are the most painful levels It seems, once you hit 10, all the quests become much eaiser. As far as crafting goes, that's not a problem, Anomaly Lone (friend/guild member)is close to becoming a master smith, and Jonathan Obnoxio(me) is on his way to being a master tanner and tailor.


Yes, indeed Naga, I was at Mala's competition, and that's where the idea blossmed. I am open to ALL competition suggestions, though this guild will revolve around PvP competition.

Thanks Norlinor:
Yes, I am looking towards ancient society's fighting competitions, but would like to have a more modern teir-based competition. Jousting Lance and Archery would not really be fiesiable, however, I would love to see open challenges against other players(think exhibition/grudge matches). As far as class and lvls, I think a structured classing would be in order, perhaps 1-7, 7-25, 26+(?) Still not too sure on the class breaks, maybe just seperate section with level caps? I would love to see other fredian groups back one character, HOWEVER NO PL'ING THEM SO THEY ARE READY TO FIGHT!! And any crafters who wouls like to donate goods for a reward would be more than welcome, however, this guild should deal with the distribution of reward, of course with many thanks to the items orignal crafter (or thanks to crafters for multiple donations).

Hanah, This guild would be responsible for bookmaking, and to begin, the odds would be like 2:1 across the board, untill the competions got popular, and the same characters fought often.

Thanks again for all the input everyone! I'm still looking for a guild name , or I think I will go with FAF (Fredian Arean Fighting). All name suggestions HIGHLY appreciated, this will be THE fight orignanizators of Fredian, So I want it to sound good, not cheezy.

Keep the suggestions coming, You have all been a big help so far! ;D

[W(ie-ei)rdness]

Hmm, I never came in time...

Someone tell me these things so I can wreak havok!

[ride]

gosh this sounds familiar....


I wish you guys luck in organizing this....
if I am on and I hear of it going on, I'll be down there..

[Preedy1978]

Yeah, I know R1de

I had *so* many complaints about it being unfair etc blahblahblah, that I never saw any point in continuing it.

I remember we discussed this for *hours* with no real solution, there's ALWAYS something that crops up, that makes a fight unbalanced in some peoples eyes....I'm all for this, but would it go off without a hitch? Without someone whining about Timestop, or IGMS? Taking these out of any battles would take away a tool from the mages arsenal, and kinda make it unfair. Kinda like taking away a fighters sword really. I've been down this road before. I'd like to see it happen, but I'm awaiting the headaches that accompany it all again.

[W(ie-ei)rdness]

You can complain about everything in NWN when you lose... It's the nature of the player who gets thier butt kicked. I'm used to the garbage, but complaining isn't needed unless it's a bug that really screws it up... In this case, there are none that decreptify to that extent. (I'm talking about D2 hacking... gayyy))

In terms of magic, the mage is not powerful without a decent player behind the wheel. It takes a lot of tactics for my character to kill anything "correctly" unless thier script is designed to get thier butt kicked. ((Level 27 cleric, 1 bard, 10 RDD)) I've PVPed before and I've killed mages way beyond my level with a cleric without relying on harm... My secrets will remain mine, but lets just say it had nothing to do with equipment.

PVmonster matches would be awesome...

Honestly, I like JonnyO's prospect and with the staff, it could work... Hehe, and us arena players could go and stalk complainers... To keep the vote straight... Gahaha, I love coercion...

[ride]

well Preedy, hopefully it will go better this time.... and the time after that..... and the time after tha...... etc.....

a note to whomever is going to "emcee" these:
have an ample supply of your favorite "relaxant" on hand.

your going to need it


again I wish the prospet luck, if you guys need help, plz, email, PM, or contact me IG.

<$.02>
the new mail system could possibly be used for signups and stuff... rather than having a "board" down at the arena (which I always thought might help, since if the ppl took the time to wander down there and signup they'd be more apt to actually take part)
</$.02>

[Phoenix]

Suggestion: K.I.S.S.

What's wrong with Road Warrior rules, 2 men enter 1 man leaves?

Odd for the match based on whatever the market bears.

If it's simple enough I'll be there when I'm playing, if it's too complex I'm out.

Complex=pregnant doging. Simple=play or leave.

[W(ie-ei)rdness]

I agree with that 100%...

THIS isn't a DDR tournament, keep it simple...